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| dietert1:
I got my first dose and don't understand all the fuss. Isn't protective vaccination something we learned as children? Everybody knows the difference between a cold and a flu, but they can't understand Covid19 is a flu that kills 10x more? What? My wife keeps asking people whether they got vaccinated, it's fun. Better talk to somebody real. On German TV they had an interview (!) with somebody who was introduced as a medical doctor and presented a serious face when explaining that Covid19 and vaccination was invented to decimate world population. The more ridiculous it becomes, the more attention. German TV had our minister of health saying: "Finally we will be able to vaccinate 1 million doses per week". Per week or per day - it doesn't matter. Remember Trump: "Probably 200 000 will die. If only 100 000 die, we have done a good job." Few people can have the medical treatment he received when infected without protection. Regards, Dieter |
| jfiresto:
--- Quote from: dietert1 on May 30, 2021, 06:21:02 am ---... German TV had our minister of health saying: "Finally we will be able to vaccinate 1 million doses per week".... --- End quote --- Are you sure that was the number? I would expect far more wishful thinking from Mr. Spahn. I am not quite 60 and still waiting for a vaccination offer. If the politicians have their way, the 12–18 years will be next then everyone else. |
| Gyro:
--- Quote from: Miti on May 30, 2021, 02:02:59 am ---Oy vey! :palm: I can feel the hostility just for stating that I’d like to have the rights over my body respected. No, the 40% doesn’t come from Kennedy BS or from any other “debunked” source of misinformation. I just asked what if, I completely made it up. You can fill the dots with whatever figure makes you comfortable. Again, I don’t want to get into any debate. All the information is there, you just need to have an open mind. Edit: Some material for your study https://pace.coe.int/en/files/29004/html Read section 7.3 and 7.5 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_Code --- End quote --- In a global pandemic of a disease with significant mortality and long term damage, it is about populations and death tolls rather than individuals. For the 'free choicer's (aka anti-Vaxers - as to the best of my knowledge NO government is forcibly administering vaccines!). It should be though of as a duty to the rest of the population in order to minimise the overall death toll. You are not (as far as I know), a front line health worker who has to spend long hours day after day sweating in claustrophobic PPE, or risking your life daily treating infectious patients with inadequate PPE and facing the trauma of daily deaths and grieving families. Worse still is the plight of health workers with no facilities, having to mak 'who dies, who lives' decisions and watching patients dying like stranded fish due to lack of oxygen. (For the record, I'm not a front line health worker either, but I have several in the family). People seem to have forgotten the meaning of duty. Putting yourself at (in this case, miniscule risk) in order to benefit others. After what the emergency workers of the world are going though. It seems a little selfish not to be prepared to take a couple of pin pricks and maybe a few Paracetamol. Yes sure, you have a tiny risk of death or side effects, but you can console yourself that you didn't die of the much higher risks of Covid, a car crash or falling down the stairs! There is very little that is less treatable than death! |
| dietert1:
My wife spent two or three days online and making phone calls to finally get vaccination appointments for us. I always ended up in the "virtual waiting room", without the faintest idea what was the problem. Of course, after a year one month more or less doesn't really matter. One problem i see is that people below age of 40 are under-represented in governments. Then comes this baby reaction: I am hungry. Nothing to eat now? Then i won't eat anymore. That's perfectly human - and up to each individual to overcome this frustration. Regards, Dieter |
| steve30:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 29, 2021, 01:08:17 pm --- --- Quote from: SeanB on May 29, 2021, 12:34:53 pm ---Easiest thing for the anti's --- End quote --- # Beware how you black and white label people. There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved. I know many people like this personally, and I do not disparage them for it nor do I label them, because I know they aren't "anti-vaxxers". --- End quote --- I'm curious as to whether Dave has had a coronavirus vaccine or not. Whilst I see very little benefit to it myself, I did ponder the possibility of having one just to disprove the conspiracy theorists who are adamant that it is part of some depopulation plan (yes, I know people who believe this). Unfortunately healthcare is very poor in my country these days, and has become worse since the so-called pandemic. I think this so-called pandemic will be the final nail in the coffin for our health service. My main concerns regarding the coronavirus vaccine are that firstly, I have a ridiculously small chance of getting the disease in the first place, and secondly, that if I get a vaccine, I will probably not be able to get medical help if I get any adverse reactions. The counter argument to that is that I may need medical help if I get Covid-19, but I'm not satisfied that I'd get that either. |
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