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Vaccine
steve30:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2021, 12:28:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: steve30 on May 30, 2021, 10:05:18 am ---I'm curious as to whether Dave has had a coronavirus vaccine or not.
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You'll have to forever continue to be curious.
I will not virtue signal my medical status, I refuse to be part of the social media circus on this.
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Well said.
To be honest, I think if you say you haven't had it, people will accuse you of being a selfish murderer. If you say you have had it, people will either moan about your impending Bill Gates-related death, or they'll go on about what an amazing hero you are for saving the lives of those around you.
DrG:
--- Quote from: jfiresto on May 30, 2021, 10:53:35 am ---
--- Quote from: dietert1 on May 30, 2021, 08:56:57 am ---My wife spent two or three days online and making phone calls to finally get vaccination appointments for us. I always ended up in the "virtual waiting room", without the faintest idea what was the problem....
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Your experiences are about what I had expected. Some neighbors have been urging me to scheme some way to get a vaccine, but until recently it seemed unethically early. The ethics of Germany's (and the EU's) Covid response are what bother me. The models other countries are following suggest giving everyone the same priority to get vaccinated, so soon, will result in many preventable deaths, but perhaps there are other factors I do not know about that are more important.
Recently I got on a couple promising waiting lists for unwanted AZ doses, but only discovered them by chance. Public health should not be a lottery or worse.
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In the US, early on, there was much talk of "line jumping" by the "rich and powerful" and how to game the system. It became common knowledge that any opened bottles (the mRNA vaccine), would have to be administered or tossed on that day. People started hanging out at clinics just for that chance at the end of the day - clinics caught on quickly, but I suspect that the vaccine underground quietly continued.....I do know of one person who got a friend call at the end of the day that if they could be there in 10 min, they could get a shot.
Each state in the US decided how they wanted to prioritize distribution. It was frustrating in my state, but I never disagreed with the prioritization as it was clearly linked to chance of infection (e.g., medical treatment personnel) and chance of illness severity when infected (e.g., elderly). It was not a perfect system and there were legitimate issues - of course, those prioritization issue went away as supply increased. It is my hope and belief that those supply increases will occur worldwide and soon.
DrG:
--- Quote from: TimFox on May 16, 2021, 10:53:49 pm ---There is also the practical problem that there is no reliable (against forgery from web-supplied blank cards) way (currently in the USA) to prove that one is vaccinated, when given an opportunity to go where vaccination is required. Right now, some baseball parks are establishing special sections for the vaccinated, and there may be many private venues (e.g., opera houses?) that will require vaccination of their customers. The CDC card given me when I was vaccinated was designed for medical personnel to keep track of my shots (date and type), and are far from a secure passport. Meanwhile, some States have passed regulations forbidding private companies from requiring vaccination of their clientele--the major cruiseship lines will not be able to use ports in Florida.
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Concur. Fact is, I don't know of a single case where someone was forced to get a CoVid vaccine. It is always an if-then as I see it. The Feds here have made it clear that they will not be part of any kind of passport situation....and the states, as you note, are plenty happy to wade in, and on both sides https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/digital-transformation/vaccine-passports-10-states-with-bans-limitations-green-lights.html
From a business perspective going from 0% [lock down] to 25% [partial opening to 50% [lifting of restrictions], it must seem appealing, e.g., you could get to capacity quicker if you could only allowed vaccinated customers, at least in some instances.
The thing is, all that crap will go out the window once the infection numbers fall far enough...Nobody is requiring small pox vaccination, but they did. I still have my scar...I bet you do also...had a BS Occ health exam once and the PA was so young, he asked me what it was...I laughed...he was embarrassed.
Funny that every state in the US requires a drivers license to drive publicly. These are hard to fake (relatively), form a huge data base of identification, and are readily produced on demand, but we accept the need for that universally - I know I do.
I suppose the day will come (although we may not see it) where you are simply scanned for antibody status...oh boy...new toys :)
langwadt:
--- Quote from: DrG on May 30, 2021, 02:39:31 pm ---
--- Quote from: jfiresto on May 30, 2021, 10:53:35 am ---
--- Quote from: dietert1 on May 30, 2021, 08:56:57 am ---My wife spent two or three days online and making phone calls to finally get vaccination appointments for us. I always ended up in the "virtual waiting room", without the faintest idea what was the problem....
--- End quote ---
Your experiences are about what I had expected. Some neighbors have been urging me to scheme some way to get a vaccine, but until recently it seemed unethically early. The ethics of Germany's (and the EU's) Covid response are what bother me. The models other countries are following suggest giving everyone the same priority to get vaccinated, so soon, will result in many preventable deaths, but perhaps there are other factors I do not know about that are more important.
Recently I got on a couple promising waiting lists for unwanted AZ doses, but only discovered them by chance. Public health should not be a lottery or worse.
--- End quote ---
In the US, early on, there was much talk of "line jumping" by the "rich and powerful" and how to game the system. It became common knowledge that any opened bottles (the mRNA vaccine), would have to be administered or tossed on that day. People started hanging out at clinics just for that chance at the end of the day - clinics caught on quickly, but I suspect that the vaccine underground quietly continued.....I do know of one person who got a friend call at the end of the day that if they could be there in 10 min, they could get a shot.
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if the alternative was that it would get tossed, you'd need to have a weird sense of justice to object to someone getting it for being there
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2021, 12:28:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: steve30 on May 30, 2021, 10:05:18 am ---I'm curious as to whether Dave has had a coronavirus vaccine or not.
--- End quote ---
You'll have to forever continue to be curious.
I will not virtue signal my medical status, I refuse to be part of the social media circus on this.
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"Virtue signal"? Discussing an important issue in public and being honest about your actions is "virtue signalling"???
I'm flying to Puerto Rico from the US mainland and I can either get tested for COVID, be quarantined for 14 days... or just provide a vaccine card (no virtue signals required).
I can't say what perspective is provided by living in a country with single digit daily infection rates and virtually zero death rates from COVID, but many of us in the US take this disease very seriously and don't have a problem with taking appropriate actions to reduce the transmission rate as much as possible. The problem we have in the US is that far too many think COVID is not a disease, but a political football and use terms like "virtue signalling" while resisting various efforts to contain the disease with the clear results we've seen over the last year.
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