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Vaccine
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 30, 2021, 04:41:27 pm ---I feared you had just made it up. To me, that's even worse than quoting someone else's made-up nonsense.
According to the pace link,
"7.5.2 use vaccination certificates only for their designated purpose of monitoring vaccine efficacy, potential side effects and adverse events;"
That's just bollocks. The primary purpose is as a record that an individual has received the vaccine.
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Yes, documentation can be kept in many forms for those stated purposes and IS maintained electronically. I think the primary reason this is documented by a piece of easy to counterfeit paper is for personal comfort of people having a way to prove they are vaccinated. I do know it was important to have the card for my second vaccine. I was warned if I didn't have that card when I came in for the second shot I would not get it.
gnuarm:
--- Quote from: coppice on May 30, 2021, 05:07:36 pm ---The countries which haven't had much trouble with covid are finding it very difficult to get their populations motivated to be inoculated. People are taking a wait and see approach, which is pretty reasonable at the individual level. However, it may isolate these countries.
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It can also leave them wide open to a surge of infection from a more readily spread strain. While the vaccines are not perfect, they greatly reduce the likelihood of serious complications and virtually eliminates the chance of death. If the population is not vaccinated a new strain can sweep through the population that is taking actions that are effective to an earlier, less infectious strain, but less so a more infectious strain.
I believe most places with low infection rates are using effective track and trace methods. If a new strain enters the country it may overwhelm such methods and require a return to extreme distancing and isolation as well as seeing death rates take off.
The real danger from this disease presently is that it can mutate beyond our current methods of containment and sweep across unvaccinated populations. The US is having a start of summer holiday and I expect to see a reversal in our lowering of daily infection rates, for a week or two at least, but hopefully I will be wrong.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: coppice on May 29, 2021, 11:15:05 pm ---
--- Quote from: Zero999 on May 29, 2021, 09:52:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Miti on May 29, 2021, 06:56:34 pm ---
--- Quote from: james_s on May 29, 2021, 06:35:15 pm ---I suppose a reasonable alternative is let people refuse to be vaccinated, but hold them legally liable if it can be shown that they transmitted the virus to somebody else who later got seriously ill or died. Charging them with negligent homicide seems reasonable to me in the case of someone dying, or sue for lost wages, medical expenses, etc. When a person makes selfish choices based on ignorance and misinformation that end up resulting in harm to others there should be consequences and it should hurt.
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Would you be willing to accept the same punishment if within a year 40% of vaccinated develop autoimmune diseases?
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How many vaccines have had that higher risk of autoimmune diseases, after a year?
As far as I'm aware, chronic health conditions due to vaccines tend to occur within the first couple of weeks of the dose, not spring up years later. The most risky vaccines are those which contain, attenuated, live virus, which isn't the case for any of the currently approved COVID-19 vaccines.
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There have never been mass deployments of the types of vaccine most people are getting for covid, so we have no idea what to expect a year from now.
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The messenger RNA vaccines are completely new. I know the adenovirus vector based ones are an older technology, but don't know how widely they've been applied. This is partly why I felt safer, with the AZ, than Pfizer jab.
People who don't know any better, fear things, which are either extremely unlikely, or impossible, such as getting a massive shock of a car battery; well maybe if you're hands have been soaking in salt water and you have a cut, but even then, it won't be bad, unless perhaps you already have a heart condition. There are also plenty of things which we know can be perfectly safe, such as driverless trains, but many laypeople fear them, because they don't full understand the technology behind it.
The question is: does there a plausible mechanism exist, by which a vaccination could cause complications, out of the blue, years later? I'm not doctor, but if there was such a possibility, then I would hope doctors would be warning us about it.
--- Quote from: EEVblog on May 30, 2021, 12:28:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: steve30 on May 30, 2021, 10:05:18 am ---I'm curious as to whether Dave has had a coronavirus vaccine or not.
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You'll have to forever continue to be curious.
I will not virtue signal my medical status, I refuse to be part of the social media circus on this.
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I agree it's none of our business. If you want to talk about it, that's fine, but it's not a bad thing keeping it private.
Miti:
--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 30, 2021, 04:41:27 pm ---I feared you had just made it up. To me, that's even worse than quoting someone else's made-up nonsense.
According to the pace link,
"7.5.2 use vaccination certificates only for their designated purpose of monitoring vaccine efficacy, potential side effects and adverse events;"
That's just bollocks. The primary purpose is as a record that an individual has received the vaccine.
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Man, I hope you're not in any decision making position. That's how totalitarian regimes start.
Zero999:
--- Quote from: Miti on May 30, 2021, 06:57:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 30, 2021, 04:41:27 pm ---I feared you had just made it up. To me, that's even worse than quoting someone else's made-up nonsense.
According to the pace link,
"7.5.2 use vaccination certificates only for their designated purpose of monitoring vaccine efficacy, potential side effects and adverse events;"
That's just bollocks. The primary purpose is as a record that an individual has received the vaccine.
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Man, I hope you're not in any decision making position. That's how totalitarian regimes start.
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Why is keeping a record of who's been vaccinated a bad thing? It's important to note who's had what vaccine, because the current advice is to have two shots of the same type and some people might try to get vaccinated more than twice. It makes perfect sense to record who's had what. The government keeps plenty of information about you already and this is no different.
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