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Miti:

--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 30, 2021, 08:05:21 pm ---Do you have a driver's license to prove you have passed the test?
Do you have dental records to keep track of any dental work you have had?
Do you have paychecks that record what tax you have paid?
Do you have certificates to prove what education you have had?
Do you carry your ticket with you when you travel to prove you are entitled to do so?

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None of these involve restricting my constitutional rights, then selectively giving them back base on my acceptance of being injected with an unknown substance, with unknown long term effects, or otherwise preventing me from making a living. That is unacceptable.

I may have misread your post, what I read was, and the part in italics is what I thought you meant "That's just bollocks. The primary purpose is as a record that an individual has received the vaccine with the purpose of restricting the freedoms of unvaccinated."

If that's what you meant, my statement stays, if not I apologise.

I'm not anti vaxer, I'm pro choice and pro safe vaccines, with transparent and thorough safety and efficiency testing. My wife and I have all the vaccines of our time, my first kid has all the vaccines, with my second one we decided to select some vaccines, and refuse some controversial ones, among them, the MMR.  Does that make me an antivaxer? When Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist in the vaccine safety division at CDC comes and says that they knew about the link between the MMR and autism, that they knew the african american are at greater risk, that at 1 year old the children are at highest risk - on audio records and backed by internal CDC documents - wouldn't I be irresponsible to ignore all that and play the russian roulette with my child's life?

nctnico:

--- Quote from: Miti on May 30, 2021, 11:03:14 pm ---I'm not anti vaxer, I'm pro choice and pro safe vaccines, with transparent and thorough safety and efficiency testing. My wife and I have all the vaccines of our time, my first kid has all the vaccines, with my second one we decided to select some vaccines, and refuse some controversial ones, among them, the MMR.  Does that make me an antivaxer? When Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist in the vaccine safety division at CDC comes and says that they knew about the link between the MMR and autism,

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Which is a myth which has been debunked a long time ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_and_autism. You got duped into exposing your kids to dangerous deseases. Outbreaks of the measles have killed a lot of people which could have prevented if the Wakefield and Thompson didn't spread fake news. You see it again with the Covid-19 outbreak: lots of individual scientists with their individual opions. But you know an opinion is like an asshole; everyone has one.

Science only works if it is truth by majority. Like the groups of scientists of the WHO work for example.

coppice:

--- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 30, 2021, 08:05:21 pm ---Prior to gaining US citizenship, I had to either prove I had received vaccinations against major diseases or had those diseases. Some of the those records were almost impossible to find and so I had to be vaccinated again. For others, I had the records myself and so didn't have to have additional vaccinations. Was the US government being totalitarian by reducing the risk of disease entering the country? Would it have made it easier for me if the records of my vaccinations when I was 5 more readily accessible?

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Middle class parents in much of East Asia are warned, as their children get their first inoculation, that they need to take care of those records if they want to send the children abroad for their education. A number of countries want to see these before issuing a study visa.

coppice:

--- Quote from: nctnico on May 30, 2021, 11:15:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: Miti on May 30, 2021, 11:03:14 pm ---I'm not anti vaxer, I'm pro choice and pro safe vaccines, with transparent and thorough safety and efficiency testing. My wife and I have all the vaccines of our time, my first kid has all the vaccines, with my second one we decided to select some vaccines, and refuse some controversial ones, among them, the MMR.  Does that make me an antivaxer? When Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist in the vaccine safety division at CDC comes and says that they knew about the link between the MMR and autism,

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Which is a myth which has been debunked a long time ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_and_autism. You got duped into exposing your kids to dangerous deseases. Outbreaks of the measles have killed a lot of people which could have prevented if the Wakefield and Thompson didn't spread fake news.

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Its one of those cases where the lie was front page news, but the retraction was in small print at the bottom of an arbitrary page, somewhere in the middle of the newspaper.

Miti:

--- Quote from: nctnico on May 30, 2021, 11:15:51 pm ---But you know an opinion is like an asshole; everyone has one.

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I choose to wipe mine...  :-+

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