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| DrG:
--- Quote from: Miti on May 30, 2021, 11:03:14 pm --- --- Quote from: JohnnyMalaria on May 30, 2021, 08:05:21 pm ---Do you have a driver's license to prove you have passed the test? Do you have dental records to keep track of any dental work you have had? Do you have paychecks that record what tax you have paid? Do you have certificates to prove what education you have had? Do you carry your ticket with you when you travel to prove you are entitled to do so? --- End quote --- None of these involve restricting my constitutional rights, then selectively giving them back base on my acceptance of being injected with an unknown substance, with unknown long term effects, or otherwise preventing me from making a living. That is unacceptable. I may have misread your post, what I read was, and the part in italics is what I thought you meant "That's just bollocks. The primary purpose is as a record that an individual has received the vaccine with the purpose of restricting the freedoms of unvaccinated." If that's what you meant, my statement stays, if not I apologise. I'm not anti vaxer, I'm pro choice and pro safe vaccines, with transparent and thorough safety and efficiency testing. My wife and I have all the vaccines of our time, my first kid has all the vaccines, with my second one we decided to select some vaccines, and refuse some controversial ones, among them, the MMR. Does that make me an antivaxer? When Dr. William Thompson, a senior scientist in the vaccine safety division at CDC comes and says that they knew about the link between the MMR and autism, that they knew the african american are at greater risk, that at 1 year old the children are at highest risk - on audio records and backed by internal CDC documents - wouldn't I be irresponsible to ignore all that and play the russian roulette with my child's life? --- End quote --- For those who have the time and are interested/concerned: Here is a decent (and short) article about this old, and shameful, story https://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2015/08/06/a-congressman-a-cdc-whisteblower-and-an-autism-tempest-in-a-trashcan/?sh=4f0168ab5396 Here is the link to the original article that did not show an autism link that was co-authored by the individual mentioned https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14754936/ From the article, it appears that later, the co-author says that there was data that DID show an autism link in African Americans, but they did not include the data in the publication. Then, another party gets hold of those data and analyses it and publishes an autism link https://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-16 Then, the Journal (ed and Pub) Retract the article citing a lack of confidence in the soundness of the findings https://translationalneurodegeneration.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2047-9158-3-22 Here is a (well-written) blog posting about both articles (read both parts 1 and 2) https://blog.minitab.com/en/adventures-in-statistics-2/analysis-and-reanalysis3a-the-controversy-behind-mmr-vaccinations-and-autism2c-part-1 All this comes well after the 1998 Lancet debacle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_MMR_autism_fraud#1998_The_Lancet_paper In 2019, the first author of the original article (in this list above) published a review supporting his prior conclusions of no link. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30986133/ Millions of kids examined in numerous studies with no credible link found - In 2015, this study https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444 95,000 kids without finding a link. In this one, over a million https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24814559/ Sorry, I know you don't want to debate, but it is difficult for me to understand why you would say the things that you are saying. |
| gnuarm:
--- Quote from: TimFox on May 30, 2021, 08:09:32 pm ---There is a long tradition in the US of requiring vaccination, starting with smallpox. The inoculation scar was its own evidence, but the microscopic needles for Covid vaccine (too small to pass microchips) leave no visible scar. --- End quote --- I don't think vaccinations have ever been required unless you are in the military. I remember the polio vaccine was purely optional, but like this disease it was killing a maiming a lot of people, but more young than old, so much more excitement was created. I'm not sure I ever got the second dose. Hard for me to recall the details since I wasn't even in school yet I think. Vaccines are required to attend school and other activities perhaps, but there are people who home school just because of that. Still, the vaccines are not mandatory. |
| EEVblog:
Ok, 10 pages worth now, and we've reached the autism thing, it's only going to go downhil from here. Time to call quits on this thread. |
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