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Nominal Animal:
Particularly funny/weird/sad is that the most effective way to stop the spread of pandemics is to restrict human movement, drastically: no exceptions, even for the super rich or politicians.

So simple, yet so costly and difficult.  Proven to save lives, but how do you calculate potential losses, or how much is a single avoidable death worth?  How do you balance the near-term loss of life with the long-term loss of life due to increased statistical financial hardships?  It is not easy.

I'm not suggesting any particular policy, either.  Just pointing out how difficult the answers are even when we have some of them.  We humans need things to be easy and cheap; but sometimes they just aren't.  Sometimes medicine and vaccines have drawbacks: just consider thalidomide, which causes horrible birth defects if taken during pregnancy.  Yet, it is an essential medicine, among the 460 medications WHO considers essential, with important life-saving use cases.

With money, it's a much easier calculation.  When it is a person suffering in front of you, and you have the tools that might help, it is basically inhuman to deny that help because of the long-term statistical repercussions.  Typical humans just don't work that way.

LaserSteve:
I took my cell phone with me to the vaccination center. Mom's eighty-nine, so I knew we would get the longer observation hold post injection. I was reading EEV blog so the technician told security to  let me keep it on while secretly  calibrating each patient's implant  transceiver. Wasn't that cool!
Mom is griping about her 5G reception being poor, and like everything else in her life, I'm to blame. Not my fault the lizards went lowest bidder and used a front end on the chip  with poor IMD performance.

IN reality,  they forgot to post signs, and the center was in a public atrium. So  they just watched to make sure I wasn't taking photos. That way they had their HIPAA compliance. After listening to Mom babble for five minutes, they knew why I needed the phone. In my case, for sanity. .  I did read EEV while waiting. :-)

What really worried me was hundreds of seniors with a few family members  in one place with little to no temperature screening on entry.

Steve

Zero999:

--- Quote from: LaserSteve on March 17, 2021, 02:41:17 pm ---I took my cell phone with me to the vaccination center. Mom's eighty-nine, so I knew we would get the longer observation hold post injection. I was reading EEV blog so the technician told security to  let me keep it on while secretly  calibrating each patient's implant  transceiver. Wasn't that cool!
Mom is griping about her 5G reception being poor, and like everything else in her life, I'm to blame. Not my fault the lizards went lowest bidder and used a front end on the chip  with poor IMD performance.

IN reality,  they forgot to post signs, and the center was in a public atrium. So  they just watched to make sure I wasn't taking photos. That way they had their HIPAA compliance. After listening to Mom babble for five minutes, they knew why I needed the phone. In my case, for sanity. .  I did read EEV while waiting. :-)

What really worried me was hundreds of seniors with a few family members  in one place with little to no temperature screening on entry.

Steve

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Sounds fun. You could have put a sticker over the camera, if they were funny about you having your phone on. Temperature screening is of little use because COVID-19 mostly spreads in healthy people and many don't get a fever. Were there any other precautions: good ventilation, keeping everyone 2m apart, masks? Those other measures are far more important, especially ventilation and distance. Think: if I farted, would the nearest person to me, be able to smell it and if so, for how long? If the person would hardly smell the fart, or only briefly, then the risk of transmission is low.

Benta:
@Zero999, you break me up!

Next Corona risk management strategy: force people to eat baked beans, and if you smell something get out of there fast.

Much simpler, cheaper and probably more effective than what's going on right now.

TimFox:
I had both my shots at a large community hospital, where they had re-purposed areas for the vaccination process (a different area for each time; the instructions mentioned two possible locations).  It was well-organized, with 6-foot markers on the floor of the corridor leading to the check-in, and separate small examining rooms for the actual shot.  The recovery room was a re-purposed lounge area, where the chairs were carefully located for distancing.  All in all, it went very smoothly (with friendly staff) and I had negligible reaction (only slight arm soreness).  As mentioned above, there were wall postings reminding of the camera ban, due to patient privacy.

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