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DrG:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on March 18, 2021, 06:27:45 pm ---
/-- snipped lots of good civil discussion which I really do appreciate and would like to respond to or engage further (especially about the alive part) but I will stay in size /thread / policy bounds - but, sincerely, it really is refreshingly sane :)


--- Quote ---Sorry to go on and on but I am trying to set up an old Linksys WRT54G router - remember those? Well, I feel like I have forgotten whatever I once knew about the $!#@ things!.

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You mean like the router I am connected to the Internet with?  Which version of OpenWrt are you running?  Or is it Tomato or DD-WRT?

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Yes, that is the one - a V5 and when I used it, I used whatever software it came with or that I found and I did all sorts of crazy things with it, most of which are not retrievable without some pain. Long story / new provider equipment / old XP balking at it / np with newer machines and android devices / maybe failing XP wifi card / maybe something else. Gave me a headache last night - probably dig up an old pci wifi card from somewhere (no PCIe slot) and see if that works or find a very long Ethernet cable.....or just throw out old junk.
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: DrG on March 18, 2021, 06:43:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on March 18, 2021, 06:27:45 pm ---
/-- snipped lots of good civil discussion which I really do appreciate and would like to respond to or engage further (especially about the alive part) but I will stay in size /thread / policy bounds - but, sincerely, it really is refreshingly sane :)


--- Quote ---Sorry to go on and on but I am trying to set up an old Linksys WRT54G router - remember those? Well, I feel like I have forgotten whatever I once knew about the $!#@ things!.

--- End quote ---
You mean like the router I am connected to the Internet with?  Which version of OpenWrt are you running?  Or is it Tomato or DD-WRT?

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Yes, that is the one - a V5 used by me for many years and many years ago. Long story / new provider equipment / old XP balking at it / np with newer machines and android devices / maybe failing XP wifi card / maybe something else. Gave me a headache last night - probably dig up an old pci wifi card from somewhere (no PCIe slot) and see if that works or find a very long Ethernet cable.....or just throw out old junk.

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Newer equipment is likely refusing to support outdated and known insecure standards. WRT54Gs should be long recycled along with the rest of the equipment of the era.
TimFox:
To gnuarm:
 I am surprised that the media don’t mention that the daily graph of new cases in the US (appearing in newspapers) shows that the current rate, far down from the last peak, is only down to the previous local maximum.
DrG:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 18, 2021, 06:48:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: DrG on March 18, 2021, 06:43:57 pm ---
--- Quote from: gnuarm on March 18, 2021, 06:27:45 pm ---
/-- snipped lots of good civil discussion which I really do appreciate and would like to respond to or engage further (especially about the alive part) but I will stay in size /thread / policy bounds - but, sincerely, it really is refreshingly sane :)


--- Quote ---Sorry to go on and on but I am trying to set up an old Linksys WRT54G router - remember those? Well, I feel like I have forgotten whatever I once knew about the $!#@ things!.

--- End quote ---
You mean like the router I am connected to the Internet with?  Which version of OpenWrt are you running?  Or is it Tomato or DD-WRT?

--- End quote ---

Yes, that is the one - a V5 used by me for many years and many years ago. Long story / new provider equipment / old XP balking at it / np with newer machines and android devices / maybe failing XP wifi card / maybe something else. Gave me a headache last night - probably dig up an old pci wifi card from somewhere (no PCIe slot) and see if that works or find a very long Ethernet cable.....or just throw out old junk.

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Newer equipment is likely refusing to support outdated and known insecure standards. WRT54Gs should be long recycled along with the rest of the equipment of the era.

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Hey, what if we started substituting "old Farts" for "equipment" in your response? Then I would be in real trouble  :-DD

Your suspicion may be correct, which is why I wanted to attach the WTG to the newer equipment as an access point for the XP - kind of like a Senior Citizens Enter Here. Actually, the XP does connect but stops recieving after a time but does not drop the connection. Reconnecting will get it to work for a bit. I use that machine infrequently and it may have started to do that before the new equipment.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 18, 2021, 09:03:32 am ---We don't need to completely get rid of it, to get life back to normal. Fortunately serious illness due to reinfection is rare, so once we have herd immunity, the number of deaths will drastically fall. It's also rarely fatal in the young, so it's highly likely it'll just become like flu, or perhaps even milder, since it doesn't mutate quite so rapidly.
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We do need to get rid of it.  Letting this disease roam free is like a psychotic person with a gun.  Even if the gun is laying on the table, it can be picked up and fired at any time.  This virus is dangerous enough that a simple mutation could allow it to become much more deadly and at the same time resistant to every treatment to date.  We don't want it hanging around sniping at us like the crocodiles at the watering hole, waiting for the day they become agile, fast and able to pursue victims on land before we act.
 


--- Quote ---I doubt the US or Europe will be able to do as the Australians have done. Australia is quite well isoleted from the rest of the world and has a very low population density. People here in the UK often say we should have done what Australia did, but even through we're geographically an island, we're not really, since there's a tunnel linking us to Europe and we're too dependant on people crossing the border to completely close it.

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That is the sort of limited thinking I try to counter by reason.  But it is hard.  These disease is not rampant because of lack of border controls.  The population density of Australia is not a factor because the density is dominated by the vast areas with few people while the vast majority of people live in the same conditions as the rest of us. 

North and South Dakota in the US have the highest infection per population numbers, yet are very lightly populated, among the lowest in the US.  But in the populated areas the infection rates are high dominating the infection rate numbers.  Heck, South Dakota has the second highest vaccination number in the country!  You would think they'd have great infection numbers.  So clearly population density is not a useful metric when calculated over a region with widely varying demographics.
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