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Zero999:

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--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 18, 2021, 09:03:32 am ---We don't need to completely get rid of it, to get life back to normal. Fortunately serious illness due to reinfection is rare, so once we have herd immunity, the number of deaths will drastically fall. It's also rarely fatal in the young, so it's highly likely it'll just become like flu, or perhaps even milder, since it doesn't mutate quite so rapidly.
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We do need to get rid of it.  Letting this disease roam free is like a psychotic person with a gun.  Even if the gun is laying on the table, it can be picked up and fired at any time.  This virus is dangerous enough that a simple mutation could allow it to become much more deadly and at the same time resistant to every treatment to date.  We don't want it hanging around sniping at us like the crocodiles at the watering hole, waiting for the day they become agile, fast and able to pursue victims on land before we act.
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No one is talking about allowing the disease to roam freely. It's why so much time and money have been spent on developing vaccines.

It would be great to get rid of it, but the consensus of opinion is it's not possible.

Put it into perspective.

How many children have died from COVID-19? Very few.

How many people have been reinfected and suffered from severe disease? For a start, reinfection is comparatively rare and most cases of reinfection are minimally symptomatic, with severe disease due to reinfection being extremely rare.

Once everyone has been vaccinated or infected, the pandemic will end, as has been the case with every other pandemic. A new pathogen emerges, causes widespread death and severe illness, then after herd immunity is reached, it continues to kill a small number of vulnerable people each year. The same happened with the 1918 influenza and it's possible the 1889 - 1890 pandemic was a coronavirus, which is now a common cold.

If we do get rid of it. It will be due to herd immunity, rather than border control, quarantine, social distancing and track and trace.


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--- Quote ---I doubt the US or Europe will be able to do as the Australians have done. Australia is quite well isoleted from the rest of the world and has a very low population density. People here in the UK often say we should have done what Australia did, but even through we're geographically an island, we're not really, since there's a tunnel linking us to Europe and we're too dependant on people crossing the border to completely close it.

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That is the sort of limited thinking I try to counter by reason.  But it is hard.  These disease is not rampant because of lack of border controls.  The population density of Australia is not a factor because the density is dominated by the vast areas with few people while the vast majority of people live in the same conditions as the rest of us. 

North and South Dakota in the US have the highest infection per population numbers, yet are very lightly populated, among the lowest in the US.  But in the populated areas the infection rates are high dominating the infection rate numbers.  Heck, South Dakota has the second highest vaccination number in the country!  You would think they'd have great infection numbers.  So clearly population density is not a useful metric when calculated over a region with widely varying demographics.

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Now try to tell people they can't travel from South Dakota, to another state, with much lower infection figures? It's not possible to seal a US state off from the others, except for Hawaii and Alaska

In Australia, they managed to cut-off western Australia, from the rest of the country, because there's nothing but desert separating it from the other states.

Syntax Error:
Never thought about this, but exactly why is the Russian vaccine called Sputnik? And Pitzer Biontech sounds a lot like bionic nano technology? Good job I've used telepathy to cancel my subscription to the Fortean Times. Or have I?

Seriously, don't be a Vacnik. Get jagged :)

JohnnyMalaria:

--- Quote from: Syntax Error on March 18, 2021, 09:20:43 pm ---Never thought about this, but exactly why is the Russian vaccine called Sputnik? And Pitzer Biontech sounds a lot like bionic nano technology? Good job I've used telepathy to cancel my subscription to the Fortean Times. Or have I?

Seriously, don't be a Vacnik. Get jagged :)

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Etymology
From Russian спу́тник (spútnik, “satellite”, literally “fellow traveller”), from с- (s-, “with, together”) + пу́тник (pútnik, “traveller”), from путь (putʹ, “way, journey”) + agent suffix -ник (-nik).

Also, it was the first, just like the first artificial satellite.

BTW, Moderna is called Moderna to reflect its technology - mRNA.

Syntax Error:
A proven side effect of the Moderna vaccine is, you can turn into Dolly Parton. And you won't look a day over 70 50 21.

8) The alt.truth is somewhere out there.

LaserSteve:
This thread has been a blast and incredibly  informative.

Steve

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