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EEVblog:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 18, 2021, 08:19:41 pm ---It would be great to get rid of it, but the consensus of opinion is it's not possible.
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It's going to follow the usual phases:
1) Epidemic
2) Pandemic (if you are unlucky like with covid-19)
and then
3) Endemic

Just like the countless variations of flu and other diseases, it will be endenic, it will always be around.
Very few diseases have been completely eradiacted, the WHO only lists one human based one to be eradiacted, smallpox.
https://asm.org/Articles/2020/March/Disease-Eradication-What-Does-It-Take-to-Wipe-outhave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradication_of_infectious_diseases
Smallpox was able to be wiped out because of a very effective vaccine and it was easy to visually identify infected people and isolate them.

The same can't be said for the various coronaviruses, which is why we can't edcadicate the common cold and flu variations.
Covid has already mutated many times. It's here to stay.
Help protect the really vulnerable with vaccines, most likely with seasonal vaccine variations like with the flu, and the rest of the population will eventually get on with life.
Covid will eventually just be another a graph line on the yearly flu statistics:
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 18, 2021, 08:19:41 pm ---No one is talking about allowing the disease to roam freely. It's why so much time and money have been spent on developing vaccines.

It would be great to get rid of it, but the consensus of opinion is it's not possible.
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There is no such consensus opinion.  When I talk of getting rid of it I mean getting rid of it roaming wild infecting and killing thousands a day.   Look at the numbers in Australia and other places.  The disease is rampaging because we won't do the simple measures that other places have done.  They've shown it is possible, but in the US and elsewhere there are too many who not only don't think of others, they simply don't think.  They believe in what they feel. 



--- Quote ---Put it into perspective.

How many children have died from COVID-19? Very few.

How many people have been reinfected and suffered from severe disease? For a start, reinfection is comparatively rare and most cases of reinfection are minimally symptomatic, with severe disease due to reinfection being extremely rare.

Once everyone has been vaccinated or infected, the pandemic will end, as has been the case with every other pandemic.
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Simply not true.  Bubonic plague ravaged Europe many time over many years.  Many other diseases have continued to rise and fall killing millions.  If you look at the population of the world over time you will see a few downward spikes.  These are all diseases ravaging the human population. 

As to the idea that we can vaccinate out way out of this it entirely depends on controlling the ongoing rate of infection.  As I have already explained, quite clearly, it will take months for this disease to be impacted as we try to vaccinate the world.  No, that's wrong.  It will take years to protect the entire world.  If we continue to allow the disease to roam the world infecting large numbers it will continue to mutate at a high rate and almost certainly reduce the effectiveness of the current vaccines.

Yes, they can work, but they depend on the virus not changing and we are not doing what we should to minimize the chances of that happening... by not reducing the infection rate.  Too  many people literally make up their own facts and spread them around.



--- Quote ---A new pathogen emerges, causes widespread death and severe illness, then after herd immunity is reached, it continues to kill a small number of vulnerable people each year. The same happened with the 1918 influenza and it's possible the 1889 - 1890 pandemic was a coronavirus, which is now a common cold.
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Anything is possible.  Why make up stuff rather than discuss facts?



--- Quote ---If we do get rid of it. It will be due to herd immunity, rather than border control, quarantine, social distancing and track and trace.
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Nonsense.  Herd immunity will only protect from the virus that infected the population.  When the virus changes that immunity ends as is demonstrated every year with the flu.




--- Quote ---Now try to tell people they can't travel from South Dakota, to another state, with much lower infection figures? It's not possible to seal a US state off from the others, except for Hawaii and Alaska
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What does that have to do with anything???  You aren't making sense.



--- Quote ---In Australia, they managed to cut-off western Australia, from the rest of the country, because there's nothing but desert separating it from the other states.

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What does that have to do with anything???  More nonsense.  The island has ring of cities around the periphery.   How is that relevant?  What they have in common is a reasonable response to the disease taking action to quarantine anyone exposed to the disease, exactly as we would do if we had an Ebola plague.  But with this virus, "It's just a bad case of the flu" that is killing more people than 10 years of the flu and still killing more. 
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 18, 2021, 06:48:27 pm ---Newer equipment is likely refusing to support outdated and known insecure standards. WRT54Gs should be long recycled along with the rest of the equipment of the era.

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What are you going on about?  My WRT54G works just fine.  Why would anyone care if new standards are developed?  I have distance security.  Two neighbors who are within range of my router and neither is technical enough to worry about.  Anyone else would need a 6 foot parabolic dish to pick up my signal. 

I don't need no stinkin' security!
Monkeh:

--- Quote from: gnuarm on March 19, 2021, 05:51:35 am ---
--- Quote from: Monkeh on March 18, 2021, 06:48:27 pm ---Newer equipment is likely refusing to support outdated and known insecure standards. WRT54Gs should be long recycled along with the rest of the equipment of the era.

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What are you going on about?  My WRT54G works just fine.  Why would anyone care if new standards are developed?  I have distance security.  Two neighbors who are within range of my router and neither is technical enough to worry about.  Anyone else would need a 6 foot parabolic dish to pick up my signal. 

I don't need no stinkin' security!

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Reality. You need not apply.
gnuarm:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 19, 2021, 01:17:09 am ---The same can't be said for the various coronaviruses, which is why we can't edcadicate the common cold and flu variations.
Covid has already mutated many times. It's here to stay.
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It is very disingenuous to compare COVID to the flu and definitely misleading to talk about the mutations in this context.  COVID has mutated many times, just as humans mutate every day.  The vast majority of mutations are harmful and cause death of the individual.  COVID has had a few mutations, or more accurately, combinations of mutations that increase it's infectiousness and possibly it's lethality.  The jury is still out on this, but that is how the evidence looks so far.

None of the mutations we've found appear to dramatically impact the effectiveness of the vaccines.  But mostly that is being studied in regards to the mutations that appear to increase the infectiousness.  As there are many, many mutations circulating, it may be that some have more resistance to the vaccine.  Only time will tell us for sure as a larger percentage are vaccinated.



--- Quote ---Help protect the really vulnerable with vaccines, most likely with seasonal vaccine variations like with the flu, and the rest of the population will eventually get on with life.
Covid will eventually just be another a graph line on the yearly flu statistics:


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That is clearly not in evidence.  We can draw all the parallels we like, we can whistle in the dark, but unless we take effective measures to reduce the infection rate we are asking the virus to mutate and make this round of vaccines ineffective. 

One of the things about this disease that I find disturbing is that not only do people not care about themselves, they don't care about others.  My friend lives in a retirement community with nursing facilities.  In the support staff of the general community something like 70% have been vaccinated.  In the nursing facility only 50% of the staff have gotten the vaccine.  It's not because of lack of availability, it's a lack of thinking or caring, I'm not sure which bothers me the most. 
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