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Re: Vaccine
« Reply #150 on: May 16, 2021, 10:40:27 pm »

It may be that the 5G you want is at a higher frequency band.

Have them try a shorter needle.

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Re: Vaccine
« Reply #151 on: May 16, 2021, 10:46:10 pm »
... We have ticks here now and it terrifies me to know that some microscopic bug can basically destroy my quality of life forever or even kill me.  ...

With the warmer winter, it seems they are out in force.   If you have dogs, keep a close watch.  We check for them daily.  My wife brought one in with her the other day.  Then I found one on the dogs eyelid.  It had not taken hold yet.   This one came in with the dog.   I think it had feasted on some other animal and was hitching a ride.     

I first heard of the virus here.  A few weeks later, I heard an interview with prof. at a large university talking about it.   I've had a few friends who have lost friends from it now.  In all but one of these cases, the people were younger and had no other health problems.   Be careful out there.


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« Reply #152 on: May 16, 2021, 10:53:49 pm »
With the recent CDC announcement that vaccinated individuals need not wear masks in many situations, but the general opinion that it is impolite (or politically incorrect) to inquire of others about their vaccination status, I must trust the unmasked individuals who I encounter to have been vaccinated.  Why does this make me uncomfortable?

Because, quite rightly, you are angry at the idea that some selfish sods refuse to get the vaccination and will use the new ruling to be even more selfish. Also, being vaccinated isn't a 100% guarantee at not getting infected, so knowing that there are people who are willing to walk around unvaccinated without masks means that they are still putting you at a risk of infection. However, they are the ones likely to get infected and evolution will take its course.

There is also the practical problem that there is no reliable (against forgery from web-supplied blank cards) way (currently in the USA) to prove that one is vaccinated, when given an opportunity to go where vaccination is required.  Right now, some baseball parks are establishing special sections for the vaccinated, and there may be many private venues (e.g., opera houses?) that will require vaccination of their customers.  The CDC card given me when I was vaccinated was designed for medical personnel to keep track of my shots (date and type), and are far from a secure passport.  Meanwhile, some States have passed regulations forbidding private companies from requiring vaccination of their clientele--the major cruiseship lines will not be able to use ports in Florida.
 

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« Reply #153 on: May 16, 2021, 11:02:24 pm »
I wouldn't be surprised to find places require you show that card as proof.   I suspect most colleges require various vaccinations as part of admission.   This new one may already be required.   

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« Reply #154 on: May 16, 2021, 11:05:01 pm »
Right now, the CDC card is the only object to show vaccination.  Places that accept it usually require a regular photo ID (e.g., driver's license) to agree with the name on the card.  (My provider had me fill in my name and DOB myself.)
 

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« Reply #155 on: May 16, 2021, 11:31:33 pm »
... We have ticks here now and it terrifies me to know that some microscopic bug can basically destroy my quality of life forever or even kill me.  ...

With the warmer winter, it seems they are out in force.   If you have dogs, keep a close watch.  We check for them daily.  My wife brought one in with her the other day.  Then I found one on the dogs eyelid.  It had not taken hold yet.   This one came in with the dog.   I think it had feasted on some other animal and was hitching a ride.     

I first heard of the virus here.  A few weeks later, I heard an interview with prof. at a large university talking about it.   I've had a few friends who have lost friends from it now.  In all but one of these cases, the people were younger and had no other health problems.   Be careful out there.

Thankfully (?)  the tick in that photo is fully-gorged so easy to spot. It's most probably in my case that it was a nymph - smaller than a poppy seed.

https://www.healthline.com/health/poppyseed-size-ticks-spread-lyme-disease
 

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Re: Vaccine
« Reply #156 on: May 16, 2021, 11:45:29 pm »
... We have ticks here now and it terrifies me to know that some microscopic bug can basically destroy my quality of life forever or even kill me.  ...

With the warmer winter, it seems they are out in force.   If you have dogs, keep a close watch.  We check for them daily.  My wife brought one in with her the other day.  Then I found one on the dogs eyelid.  It had not taken hold yet.   This one came in with the dog.   I think it had feasted on some other animal and was hitching a ride.     

I first heard of the virus here.  A few weeks later, I heard an interview with prof. at a large university talking about it.   I've had a few friends who have lost friends from it now.  In all but one of these cases, the people were younger and had no other health problems.   Be careful out there.

Thankfully (?)  the tick in that photo is fully-gorged so easy to spot. It's most probably in my case that it was a nymph - smaller than a poppy seed.

https://www.healthline.com/health/poppyseed-size-ticks-spread-lyme-disease
Normally the ones I find are about the size of the second from the right on the picture with the finger.   Dog #4 is a fairly new member of the family and can't be trusted without a leash yet.  We keep her away from shrubs and trees but they still manage to attach to her and us.   

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Re: Vaccine
« Reply #157 on: May 17, 2021, 12:20:47 am »
I just had my first Pfizer shot yesterday. I find the science behind the mRNA vaccines facinating, but if I weren't married, I wouldn't have been vaccinated yet. I'll turn 60 this year, have no chronic medical issues, and don't FEEL at risk. I'm an engineer, logical thinker, try to educate myself on the facts, and make decisions based on facts. From the facts that I'm aware of, I'd hold off because of not knowing the long term side effects of the mRMA approach. Seems like we have enough evidence at this point to see what the short term risks are. My decision to get the vaccine at this time is weighed by the facts of my personal situation: my wife is terrified by this whole thing. Her cortisol levels have been through the roof for a year now, and that it bad for her health. I care about my wife. She lost a brother-in-law from this, and she worries about me and her kids. She has nurse friends who have left their jobs over issues with COVID. For the physical and mental health of my wife, and for my mental health, I am choosing to be vaccinated. It took me a while to be ok to do this. I've read copious amounts of material. I don't listen to the talking heads. My wife was vaccinated just 3 days before me. It was a huge thing for her just to go out and get it done.

Zero consideration for the risk remaining unvaccinated would pose to the general public, I see.

Not true. I've seldom gone out for anything for a over year. If so, I mask and keep my distance. For my shopping I order online and get it delivered or do curbside pickup. I greatly respect others and their safety. [Profanity removed] for judging my behaviour without knowing. I've chosen to miss my child's college graduation, and seeing a new granddaughter. [Inflammatory childish comment removed]
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« Reply #158 on: May 17, 2021, 01:29:31 am »
I was a bit weary myself of taking the vaccine just because it's so new.  Long term effects was my main fear as well.   I gave it a lot of thought over the past few months though and as covid cases keep rising in my area, and covid has many long term effects that are known, I figured the risk of vaccine is less than risk of covid.   I do think this is a decision everyone should have the right to make though. 
 

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« Reply #159 on: May 17, 2021, 01:59:02 am »
I just had my first Pfizer shot yesterday. I find the science behind the mRNA vaccines facinating, but if I weren't married, I wouldn't have been vaccinated yet. I'll turn 60 this year, have no chronic medical issues, and don't FEEL at risk. I'm an engineer, logical thinker, try to educate myself on the facts, and make decisions based on facts. From the facts that I'm aware of, I'd hold off because of not knowing the long term side effects of the mRMA approach. Seems like we have enough evidence at this point to see what the short term risks are. My decision to get the vaccine at this time is weighed by the facts of my personal situation: my wife is terrified by this whole thing. Her cortisol levels have been through the roof for a year now, and that it bad for her health. I care about my wife. She lost a brother-in-law from this, and she worries about me and her kids. She has nurse friends who have left their jobs over issues with COVID. For the physical and mental health of my wife, and for my mental health, I am choosing to be vaccinated. It took me a while to be ok to do this. I've read copious amounts of material. I don't listen to the talking heads. My wife was vaccinated just 3 days before me. It was a huge thing for her just to go out and get it done.

Zero consideration for the risk remaining unvaccinated would pose to the general public, I see.

Not true. I've seldom gone out for anything for a over year. If so, I mask and keep my distance. For my shopping I order online and get it delivered or do curbside pickup. I greatly respect others and their safety. F**k you for judging my behaviour without knowing. I've chosen to miss my child's college graduation, and seeing a new granddaughter. You're now on my list of forum a**holes.

At no point did I mention or judge your behaviour, only comment on the lack of such consideration in your post.

Glad to see I've made a childish list, though.
 

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Re: Vaccine
« Reply #160 on: May 17, 2021, 02:02:17 am »
...  I do think this is a decision everyone should have the right to make though.

My previous reponse in this thread was certainly not tactful or gracious. We have all been dealing with alot of stress from this. I agree with you completely on this statement. The difficulty is how to do this and respect the decision of others. For instance, Monkeh assumed that I wasn't respecting the safety of others when I decided to delay vaccinating myself. My thinking and behaviour was otherwise. I have not been concerned with myself getting the virus (which might be misguided, but is how I feel based on the information I have). I don't go out, mask when I do, distance myself, etc. SOLELY based on respect for others. Just because I don't feel at risk, doesn't mean I need to breath in the face of others. This thing is real. People have died.
 

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« Reply #161 on: May 17, 2021, 03:22:51 am »
Not true. I've seldom gone out for anything for a over year. If so, I mask and keep my distance. For my shopping I order online and get it delivered or do curbside pickup. I greatly respect others and their safety. F**k you for judging my behaviour without knowing. I've chosen to miss my child's college graduation, and seeing a new granddaughter. You're now on my list of forum a**holes.

Someone give me a reason why I shouldn't lock this thread.
 

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Re: Vaccine
« Reply #162 on: May 17, 2021, 03:33:15 am »
I think you should let it go until 6G comes around.
 
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« Reply #163 on: May 17, 2021, 03:40:38 am »
The new variant B1617 is able to spread FASTER, and also to younger people from the latest development in Singapore.  I think it is best to get your first shot as soon as possible.  Those who had 2 shots and got infected did not have to have O2 treatment.  1 shot seem to offer some protection against severity too.

The compliance level is very high here, the weak links here were not blocking South Asia region much earlier as our data show they were always the highest in our imported case for past weeks.  We would expect number from neighboring countries to be the highest due to the quantity and proximity.  Second weak link is to allow indoor dining especially at the airport.
 
 

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« Reply #164 on: May 17, 2021, 09:59:11 am »
I honestly don't know if the government have done the right thing with lockdown. My opinion has changed from one extreme to the other, throughout the last year. I think we could have kept a lot of things open: shops, hairdressers and beauty salons probably didn't need to close, as with suitable PPE the risk is minimal, but it was definitely right to close restaurants, nightclubs, bars etc. when it became apparent cases were out of control. On the other hand closing more down than necessary might have made people take it more seriously and many businesses would have struggled anyway, as people stayed in more, even if they weren't forced to. Many other countries have done a similar thing, so we're hardly unique.
With every infection, there is a chance of mutation. There have been several nasty mutations already, some are more infections, some is killing children as well. Some might become so mutated, that the vaccines will be useless. We didn't know what was going to happen, and what will happen in the next years. I think the complete lockdown was very well justified, as we could end up with a something much worse than this.
The counterargument being all the damage to health caused by the lockdowns: increased stress, cancelled/missed appointments, people taking less exercise, due to being confined indoors, gyms being closed, reduced earnings leading to poorer diet etc. There have been far worse pandemics in the past, without such extensive lockdowns. Countries without such extreme measures have had lower deaths per capita, than others which have, like the UK, although not all populations are equal, so that's not clear cut.

The problem I have is, many of the measures taken don't seem to be guided by science. There was no evidence to suggest that shops and hair salons contributed significantly to the spread of the virus, especially with all the precautions taken: keeping customers 2m apart, masks, hand sanitiser etc. Most of the spread has been down to different households mixing indoors, in resturaunts, pubs, bars, homes etc. The only reason I can see for closing more than necessary was to scare people.

I see little point in debating the matter, as I've previously raised the same points as you, in prevous posts to other threads, so can see it from both sides. Ultimately we won't know whether it was right thing to do, or not, until this is over.

By the way, you're right to be concerned about children, but so far excess mortality in under 14s, in the UK, has been running below the 5 year average through 2020.
https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-week-ending-01-Jan-2021.html#section
https://fingertips.phe.org.uk/static-reports/mortality-surveillance/excess-mortality-in-england-week-ending-01-Jan-2021.html#section-7

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I just had my first Pfizer shot yesterday. I find the science behind the mRNA vaccines facinating, but if I weren't married, I wouldn't have been vaccinated yet. I'll turn 60 this year, have no chronic medical issues, and don't FEEL at risk.
People of all ages died because of this. And could be even scarier, the complications that they are reporting after mild cases. They report hearth damage, can cause strokes, seizures and Guillain-Barre syndrome... We dont even have a very good estimate how many people might die early after having just a mild case of this pandemic.

This is not the seasonal flu.
No, it's not seasonal flu, but the virus isn't inherently more deadly than influenza. It's just been causing more severe disease and death at the moment, because it's a novel virus, which the population lack immunity to. Influenza can also cause long term damage to internal organs and GBS, but it's less common, because we already have some level of herd immunity.

The new variant B1617 is able to spread FASTER, and also to younger people from the latest development in Singapore.  I think it is best to get your first shot as soon as possible.  Those who had 2 shots and got infected did not have to have O2 treatment.  1 shot seem to offer some protection against severity too.
It's not known whether it spreading amongst the young, is due to changes in the virus, or that young people work, socialise and mix more, than the old, who are generally more cautious. General poorer health and more co-morbidities such as diabeties and poor diet could explain the greater mortality rate in young people, in countries like India and Brazil.

I agree, everyone should get vaccinated, when given the chance.

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The compliance level is very high here, the weak links here were not blocking South Asia region much earlier as our data show they were always the highest in our imported case for past weeks.  We would expect number from neighboring countries to be the highest due to the quantity and proximity.  Second weak link is to allow indoor dining especially at the airport.
People don't follow the rules so strictly in the UK and they've gradually been loosened over the last few months, but infections have continued to fall due to high levels of vaccination. Unfortunately our governement has also made the mistake of not stopping people coming from South Asia. It's very frustrating, considering we knew the B1617 variant was causing problems there, yet didn't do anything because there wasn't solid evidence to support it being more transmissible or deadly. It would have been better to err on the side of caution.
 
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« Reply #165 on: May 17, 2021, 12:18:11 pm »
With the warmer winter, it seems they are out in force.   If you have dogs, keep a close watch.  We check for them daily.  My wife brought one in with her the other day.  Then I found one on the dogs eyelid.  It had not taken hold yet.   This one came in with the dog.   I think it had feasted on some other animal and was hitching a ride.     

I first heard of the virus here.  A few weeks later, I heard an interview with prof. at a large university talking about it.   I've had a few friends who have lost friends from it now.  In all but one of these cases, the people were younger and had no other health problems.   Be careful out there.



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« Reply #166 on: May 18, 2021, 05:29:35 pm »
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« Reply #167 on: May 29, 2021, 12:54:45 am »
Right now, the CDC card is the only object to show vaccination.  Places that accept it usually require a regular photo ID (e.g., driver's license) to agree with the name on the card.  (My provider had me fill in my name and DOB myself.)

For all the fluff over this concept, it seems totally reasonable to me. There are an endless list of things for which a person must carry proof that they are qualified, covered, etc in order to do. It's not like the vaccine police are going to barge into private homes or stop a person on the street to see if they are vaccinated. I have to show my ID to get into a bar, I don't mind showing proof of vaccination to enter into an establishment, especially if the alternative is that such establishments are not allowed to operate in the first place.
 

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« Reply #168 on: May 29, 2021, 01:04:14 am »
Right now, the CDC card is the only object to show vaccination.  Places that accept it usually require a regular photo ID (e.g., driver's license) to agree with the name on the card.  (My provider had me fill in my name and DOB myself.)

For all the fluff over this concept, it seems totally reasonable to me. There are an endless list of things for which a person must carry proof that they are qualified, covered, etc in order to do. It's not like the vaccine police are going to barge into private homes or stop a person on the street to see if they are vaccinated. I have to show my ID to get into a bar, I don't mind showing proof of vaccination to enter into an establishment, especially if the alternative is that such establishments are not allowed to operate in the first place.

I think the only place I've ever been asked to show ID to get into bar since I was ~18 is in the US


 

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« Reply #169 on: May 29, 2021, 08:48:41 am »
Right now, the CDC card is the only object to show vaccination.  Places that accept it usually require a regular photo ID (e.g., driver's license) to agree with the name on the card.  (My provider had me fill in my name and DOB myself.)

For all the fluff over this concept, it seems totally reasonable to me. There are an endless list of things for which a person must carry proof that they are qualified, covered, etc in order to do. It's not like the vaccine police are going to barge into private homes or stop a person on the street to see if they are vaccinated. I have to show my ID to get into a bar, I don't mind showing proof of vaccination to enter into an establishment, especially if the alternative is that such establishments are not allowed to operate in the first place.

I think the only place I've ever been asked to show ID to get into bar since I was ~18 is in the US
It's common in the UK. Generally for younger adults, typically under 30, but I was asked for ID, even though I was over 30. It seems to be more common, when there's a big event, such as New Years eve. The funny thing is, I don't even drink.
 

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« Reply #170 on: May 29, 2021, 10:19:48 am »
Our nations airline, Qantas is the first Australian company to announce it intends to offer benefits to the vaccinated. Today's announcement was non-specific in regards to proof of vaccine or what exactly those benefits might be. It this stage the company is really seeking public/pax opinion to gauge how to respond and what to offer. And you know what that means.

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« Reply #171 on: May 29, 2021, 10:21:43 am »
Our nations airline, Qantas is the first Australian company to announce it intends to offer benefits to the vaccinated. Today's announcement was non-specific in regards to proof of vaccine or what exactly those benefits might be. It this stage the company is really seeking public/pax opinion to gauge how to respond and what to offer. And you know what that means.

It means Alan Joyce should be sacked.
 

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« Reply #172 on: May 29, 2021, 10:22:47 am »
Our nations airline, Qantas is the first Australian company to announce it intends to offer benefits to the vaccinated. Today's announcement was non-specific in regards to proof of vaccine or what exactly those benefits might be. It this stage the company is really seeking public/pax opinion to gauge how to respond and what to offer. And you know what that means.

It means Alan Joyce should be sacked.

Not so soon. He hasn't done to Q what he did to Ansett.  :)
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« Reply #173 on: May 29, 2021, 10:27:54 am »
When it comes to any medical procedure, I strongly believe that should be an individual decision, and not the government mandate, if I accept it or not. Vilifying people for not participating blindly in an experiment with unknown outcome, or sometimes known but hidden for financial reasons, is despicable. One very reliable and informed source of information in this area, from my perspective, is Robert Kennedy Jr.  I have big respect for this man as he presents facts and not hearsay.
There are many interviews and debates with him on YT but watch this starting at minute 18:10. That and many more of his interviews make me think twice about the Covid vaccine.

https://youtu.be/zyxEo2kqo08

Edit: This quote is attributed to Thomas Jefferson   "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
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Re: Vaccine
« Reply #174 on: May 29, 2021, 11:13:35 am »
I strongly believe that all medication including vaccines they need be completely tested for extended period of time like few years before release to widely use, I simply wait few more years before all side effects will be detected and fixed.

I simply prefer final version without off deadly side effects  ;)
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