When it comes to any medical procedure, I strongly believe that should be an individual decision, and not the government mandate, if I accept it or not. Vilifying people for not participating blindly in an experiment with unknown outcome, or sometimes known but hidden for financial reasons, is despicable. One very reliable and informed source of information in this area, from my perspective, is Robert Kennedy Jr. I have big respect for this man as he presents facts and not hearsay.
There are many interviews and debates with him on YT but watch this starting at minute 18:10. That and many more of his interviews make me think twice about the Covid vaccine.
https://youtu.be/zyxEo2kqo08
Edit: This quote is attributed to Thomas Jefferson "If people let the government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny."
When it comes to any medical procedure, I strongly believe that should be an individual decision, and not the government mandate, if I accept it or not. Vilifying people for not participating blindly in an experiment with unknown outcome, or sometimes known but hidden for financial reasons, is despicable.
I stopped listening at the point he starting talking about profit and the amount of vaccines children get, which are both irreverent to the UK. Children don't get that many vaccines here and the most commonly used COVID-19 vaccine, made by AstraZeneca hasn't made them any money. In fact they've lost money on its COVID vaccine.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-lost-money-on-its-covid-19-vaccine-11619771934
True, without vaccines you would find most children would not have made it past the age of 5, seeing as the average family size would be 8 to 10 children, with perhaps only 2 making it to past puberty, and becoming adults. Vaccines changed that, as a single biggest change, where you would find that children did not die of disease before their first birthday, and this was an even bigger thing than hygiene, antibiotics and modern medicine based on them.
Easiest thing for the anti's
Easiest thing for the anti's#
Beware how you black and white label people.
There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved.
I know many people like this personally, and I do not disparage them for it nor do I label them, because I know they aren't "anti-vaxxers".
Easiest thing for the anti's#
Beware how you black and white label people.
There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved.
I know many people like this personally, and I do not disparage them for it nor do I label them, because I know they aren't "anti-vaxxers".
BTW, I am alive thanks to vaccines, I would not have made it past 3 if it were not for antibiotics and tetanus shots, I still remember the red lines growing up my leg from that episode. Yes I still get a booster shot every 10 years or so for tetanus, and thankfully never had it ever again. Locally there was a move to knock down the century old stables and make it a soccer academy, wonder just how they are going to remove all the century plus of tetanus that is soaked into the walls, flooring, roof, and what they will be using as fields outside. Hope all the players are up to date on that shot.
Easiest thing for the anti's is simply to allow them to believe that, but also tell them the choice they made is going to mean that they will also be denied free hospital treatment if they get ill, solving the problem. They will have to pay the cash price, and will not be able to avoid the result by declaring bankruptcy afterwards.
Easiest thing for the anti's#
Beware how you black and white label people.
There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved.
That is a good point but the reality is that there is no good choice here. Short term it is clear that vaccinating people saves more lifes compared not doing so. Long term we don't know it yet. A number of people (starting from 20 years old!) who recover from Covid-19 appear to have long lasting effects from it and will require medical care and/or will be mildly disabled for the rest of their lives. We'll have to see how that balances against the long term effects from the vaccinations.
I stopped listening at the point he starting talking about profit and the amount of vaccines children get, which are both irreverent to the UK. Children don't get that many vaccines here and the most commonly used COVID-19 vaccine, made by AstraZeneca hasn't made them any money. In fact they've lost money on its COVID vaccine.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/astrazeneca-lost-money-on-its-covid-19-vaccine-11619771934Astra-Zeneca fully intended to make a killing with their vaccine. They have simply failed in their political moves, and not sold as much as they hoped they would.
Easiest thing for the anti's#
Beware how you black and white label people.
There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved.
I know many people like this personally, and I do not disparage them for it nor do I label them, because I know they aren't "anti-vaxxers".
True, but even now with the emergency approval, the number who have side effects is minimal. 7 in a million dying after having it, and not for the usual reasons, is still a much better option than having at least 6 out of 100 dying from it. Lost 2 friends from it already, and at least a dozen people I know personally have died from it as well, including whole families.
I really don't understand why people are so against the idea of mandated Covid vaccination especialy for foreign travel after all for many countries it is already obligatory for things like yellow fever, Hepatitis and typhoid. I know people who willingly take these shots to go on holiday and carry the car but don't want covid on the same list even though they already have had the shot.
I really don't understand why people X.
I know people who X.
Easiest thing for the anti's#
Beware how you black and white label people.
There are huge numbers of people who are "pro vaccine" but hesitant to get an entirely new form of vaccine that still only has emergency approval status and is not yet fully approved.
I know many people like this personally, and I do not disparage them for it nor do I label them, because I know they aren't "anti-vaxxers".
True, but even now with the emergency approval, the number who have side effects is minimal. 7 in a million dying after having it, and not for the usual reasons, is still a much better option than having at least 6 out of 100 dying from it. Lost 2 friends from it already, and at least a dozen people I know personally have died from it as well, including whole families.
a risk of 6 in 100 would be the very old or with other serious health issues. For those any risk in a vaccine is negligible.
When they stopped using AZ here the numbers were ~1:40000 making the vaccine a bigger risk that the disease for anyone under ~40
BTW, I am alive thanks to vaccines, I would not have made it past 3 if it were not for antibiotics and tetanus shots, I still remember the red lines growing up my leg from that episode. Yes I still get a booster shot every 10 years or so for tetanus, and thankfully never had it ever again. Locally there was a move to knock down the century old stables and make it a soccer academy, wonder just how they are going to remove all the century plus of tetanus that is soaked into the walls, flooring, roof, and what they will be using as fields outside. Hope all the players are up to date on that shot.
Funny that you mention the tetanus shot. I've got mild IBS from it. When I was a child I stepped on a rusty nail and the doctor gave me a tetanus shot. Soon after, my guts went crazy for few days. It never went away completely to this day. It got more tolerable, but never went away.Easiest thing for the anti's is simply to allow them to believe that, but also tell them the choice they made is going to mean that they will also be denied free hospital treatment if they get ill, solving the problem. They will have to pay the cash price, and will not be able to avoid the result by declaring bankruptcy afterwards.
Can't agree with you more... but then we'll have to include the smokers, the drunk, the pot heads, those who eat at McDonalds and many other fast food restaurants, those that don't eat organic food, GMO and full of pesticides, those that don't exercise, the obese, those that don't follow a healthy sleep schedule... what else?
You're going down the rabbit hole pretty fast here.
I don't think the infectious diseases that the vaccines are meant to prevent are the biggest burden to the healthcare system.
I'm not debating this any more, I just wanted to present my point of view.
Miti out!
Ask the people who X, not an electronics forum
But I might be X myself, so if you must know: I don't trust technologies rushed to market and I don't trust career politicians.
And I'm not okay with mandatory vaccinations for anything. I have heard (IRL, not on reddit) of rare side effects even to some accepted mainstream vaccines and they may run in a family and people still have no way to opt out even if they know they are at risk. I would prefer if people who are worried protected themselves and let Darwin run his course with the rest.
I suppose a reasonable alternative is let people refuse to be vaccinated, but hold them legally liable if it can be shown that they transmitted the virus to somebody else who later got seriously ill or died. Charging them with negligent homicide seems reasonable to me in the case of someone dying, or sue for lost wages, medical expenses, etc. When a person makes selfish choices based on ignorance and misinformation that end up resulting in harm to others there should be consequences and it should hurt.