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"Veritasium" (YT) - "The Big Misconception About Electricity" ?
HuronKing:
Publish this 'new electricity' in IEEE Transactions. See how far you get writing "electrons are photons that hug the wires." :palm:
penfold:
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Dividing Amps by Coulombs to get 0.1 mm/s average drift in a wire is enshrined in hymns & chants & gets a whole page in the Electricity Catechism. But is there any proof that even one electron drifts.
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We know that a current in free space (electron beam) deflects, accelerates and interacts in good agreement with Maxwell and Lorentz etc and I'm not sure why there would particular reason that currents should stop behaving according to those laws in a conductor. There is a lot of evidence from gas ionisation due to gamma radiation, Millikan's oil drop and the photo-electric effect to suggest that electrons are indeed discrete things that we call particles that have a particular charge.
But, do they drift? There is strong evidence that they diffuse under temperature gradients and generate an electric field as a result - though I believe the Drude model doesn't accurately predict it - but surely it justifies the assumption of a chaotic gas-like cloud of electrons. The Hall effect then goes some way to justify that the bulk of gas-like electrons still behaves according to Lorentz force and that they behave as if they are particles with known mass, charge and a velocity that agrees with the Drude drift velocity. I personally tend to fall on the side of 'team drift', not that it's especially relevant.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: penfold on February 11, 2022, 12:54:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 10, 2022, 11:59:18 pm ---[..]Dividing Amps by Coulombs to get 0.1 mm/s average drift in a wire is enshrined in hymns & chants & gets a whole page in the Electricity Catechism. But is there any proof that even one electron drifts.[...]
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We know that a current in free space (electron beam) deflects, accelerates and interacts in good agreement with Maxwell and Lorentz etc and I'm not sure why there would particular reason that currents should stop behaving according to those laws in a conductor. There is a lot of evidence from gas ionisation due to gamma radiation, Millikan's oil drop and the photo-electric effect to suggest that electrons are indeed discrete things that we call particles that have a particular charge.
But, do they drift? There is strong evidence that they diffuse under temperature gradients and generate an electric field as a result - though I believe the Drude model doesn't accurately predict it - but surely it justifies the assumption of a chaotic gas-like cloud of electrons. The Hall effect then goes some way to justify that the bulk of gas-like electrons still behaves according to Lorentz force and that they behave as if they are particles with known mass, charge and a velocity that agrees with the Drude drift velocity. I personally tend to fall on the side of 'team drift', not that it's especially relevant.
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Yes, me myself i like the idea of electrons, alltho i dont like the idea that they are almost pointlike & orbit like planets. I reckon that they are photons that have formed a loop by biting their own tail (Williamson). Jeans called electrons bottled light. I reckon that electrons flow around (hug) a nucleus, they dont orbit.
And i dont mind the idea that free-ish conduction electrons drift inside a wire, alltho i think that this (old electricity) is not significant.
But Dollard duznt believe in the conventional model of the electron. And i think that Heaviside didnt like electrons.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: HuronKing on February 11, 2022, 08:27:49 am ---Publish this 'new electricity' in IEEE Transactions. See how far you get writing "electrons are photons that hug the wires." :palm:
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Is this the same IEEE that would not let Heaviside publish in their journal?
Is this the same IEEE that called Heaviside a crackpot when he came up with his equations?
Is this the same IEEE that conceded that his equations worked when they fixed the telegraphy cable?
Lots of people say that wires are waveguides. The only way they could be guides is if something hugs them.
Unless the wave is inside the wire. And that silly skoolkid idea duznt work. Which is why the IEEE hugs it.
eugene:
Whether or not it gets published in the IEEE transactions, I think you should write up the new electronics in a formal paper that can be shared with others. It will save you a lot of work repeating yourself.
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