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| aetherist:
--- Quote from: penfold on February 22, 2022, 10:56:48 am --- --- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 10:29:32 am ---Threaded steel rod costs about $1 per ft so $100 for 100 ft. Galvanised might be best. And compare with plain galvanised (another $100 i suppose). I dont know about frequency stuff. DC would be a must. Hollow pipe or tube would be interesting but i would put it on the bottom of my list. I am tempted to fork out say $400 for a 300 MHz scope from china. I bet Tony Wakefield would loan me his 350 MHz scope but he is over 2 hrs away from me. --- End quote --- Making the experiment co-axial would reduce the influence of external 'stuff', equipment wires etc, and provides a well defined ground return path through the outer tube (could go up to 54mm diameter if 15mm is too close) - even better if you can inject and measure signals through the same port. Brass isn't ferro-magnetic and has better defined electrical properties than construction steel, a galv'd finish would be a nightmare for any easily predictable surface finish. A 1m length is far easier to make straight (without insulator supports) by adding a little tension... 100' would be very difficult to set up in a repeatable manner. With a threaded rod forming the middle conductor of a coaxial line we then have an experiment that would be easily analysed from both a classical and 'new' theory. --- End quote --- I would have thort that a dozen 8ft threaded steel rods simply connected end to end in the form of a circle to get back within probe distance at the scope would do. Then same thing with plain rod. Both would be galvanised. The roughness of the gal would be the same on both. If one had a fast scope one could use just one length of threaded rod. Then it would be good to gradually grind away the thread & see how much dispersion happens. Until there is no thread & no dispersion. |
| aetherist:
--- Quote from: penfold on February 22, 2022, 10:34:51 am --- --- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 01:24:56 am ---[...]Dont forget light propagates at c throo the aether. Actually Einstein said that light is slowed by the presence of mass. Which everyone ignores. So, light always propagates at less than c, koz there is nowhere in the universe that is not near mass.[...] --- End quote --- When did Einstein say that? Experimental evidence has shown that speed of light is constant with relative distance to massive objects, but time and space dilation happens. --- End quote --- I had a look at my english version of some of his papers but couldnt find the paragraph. There are plenty of paragraphs where he talks of that slowing effect of mass causing bending near the Sun, but i dont mean thems. I mean a paragraph where he points out that his GTR contradicts STR, & he admits that his STR is not science. But of course talking about Einstein is almost impossible. Contradictions left right & center. Light duznt slow, time goes faster. Light duznt slow, the measuring rods get shorter. Light duznt slow, & light duznt bend, it is spacetime that bends, etc etc etc. Idiots. I will keep an eye out for that paragraph. |
| adx:
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 04:16:45 am --- --- Quote from: adx on February 22, 2022, 03:59:48 am --- --- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 01:07:29 am ---...There is no such thing as a gravity wave. Gravity propagates at at least 20 billion c ... --- End quote --- Uh? What does it propagate as then? Negative reality wave? Leprechaun kinesin? --- End quote --- There is no such thing as a GW. It is a tension of the aether. Aether transmits such tension tween mass/matter at at least 20 billion c m/s. But it serves little purpose to call that tension a wave. The tension radiates continuously from each/every photon, to infinity, for ever. No, hold on, it radiates to the limit of our local cosmic cell, & throo other adjacent cells, but eventually fizzles out. However our universe is indeed infinite & eternal. Re my mention of photons, everything in the universe that we see & feel is made of photons, or is a part of each photon (ie the em radiation, so called)(which radiates from each photon). There are 4 classes of photon. Free photons (light), semi-confined photons (electons), confined photons (electron etc). The 4th kind is neutrinos, which are paired photons sharing the same helical axis. --- End quote --- Psychological tension, as in a kind of nervousness? I don't get it. What slows this radiation down to a known speed? Or is it particles, travelling at this 20E9*3E8 m^2/s^2? That seems to be incompatible with the idea of an aether under constant tension. |
| aetherist:
--- Quote from: adx on February 22, 2022, 11:40:08 am --- --- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 04:16:45 am --- --- Quote from: adx on February 22, 2022, 03:59:48 am --- --- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 01:07:29 am ---...There is no such thing as a gravity wave. Gravity propagates at at least 20 billion c ... --- End quote --- Uh? What does it propagate as then? Negative reality wave? Leprechaun kinesin? --- End quote --- There is no such thing as a GW. It is a tension of the aether. Aether transmits such tension tween mass/matter at at least 20 billion c m/s. But it serves little purpose to call that tension a wave. The tension radiates continuously from each/every photon, to infinity, for ever. No, hold on, it radiates to the limit of our local cosmic cell, & throo other adjacent cells, but eventually fizzles out. However our universe is indeed infinite & eternal. Re my mention of photons, everything in the universe that we see & feel is made of photons, or is a part of each photon (ie the em radiation, so called)(which radiates from each photon). There are 4 classes of photon. Free photons (light), semi-confined photons (electons), confined photons (electron etc). The 4th kind is neutrinos, which are paired photons sharing the same helical axis. --- End quote --- Psychological tension, as in a kind of nervousness? I don't get it. What slows this radiation down to a known speed? Or is it particles, travelling at this 20E9*3E8 m^2/s^2? That seems to be incompatible with the idea of an aether under constant tension. --- End quote --- The speed of gravity is at least 20 billion c. There is no known upper speed, ie no reason for one -- what we have is a fairly logical lower speed, based i think mainly on the stability of planetary etc orbits. Aether has no mass, but what it does is it transfers force tween stuff that has mass, eg stars. Which in effect supports Mach's idea that gravity is due to the mass of the universe. I am happy to talk about gravity, & aether, koz the aetherwind will be found to have an influence in lots of things that happen in a laboratory, including electricity. |
| penfold:
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 11:25:02 am ---[...] I would have thort that a dozen 8ft threaded steel rods simply connected end to end in the form of a circle to get back within probe distance at the scope would do. Then same thing with plain rod. Both would be galvanised. The roughness of the gal would be the same on both. If one had a fast scope one could use just one length of threaded rod. Then it would be good to gradually grind away the thread & see how much dispersion happens. Until there is no thread & no dispersion. --- End quote --- Having the receive and transmit ends of the rod would allow the fields from one to couple with the other, the (much shorter than circumference of the circle) length of the scope leads would also add a means of direct coupling between transmit and receive end. So, perhaps you take measures to limit their effect, but why intentionally construct an experiment knowing full well that the effect you intend to measure will be swamped by similar effects of a different mechanism? Why not remove the effects by design? Galvanised finish is not a well controlled process, the surface is very "complex", maybe over 100 feet it will average out to a 'mean' effect, but that would be relying on a linear effect - it won't be linear. Gradually grinding away the thread (assuming you're not re-galvanising each time)... same problem, it isn't a very controlled process, affecting lots of things at once. How would you control the effects of 'ground' with your circular experiment? Would there be something continuous and metalic beneath? |
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