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"Veritasium" (YT) - "The Big Misconception About Electricity" ?
aetherist:
--- Quote from: penfold on February 22, 2022, 03:28:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 12:39:26 pm ---I suppose that the rods would need to be suspended or supported somehow so no shorts. And well away from ground. But, electricity is primarily due to electons that propagate at the speed of light. And induction happens at the speed of light. But as long as there was a clear signal that can be timed, any noise & crosstalk & coupling & radio would are unlikely to be a problem (unless u are like alphaphoenix & have a heavy steel frame under your table top experiment) . Like adx says, dont worry too much, just do it.
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Except if you're looking at 'dispersion', you're not simply looking for a simple signal arrival time. If the signal were made up of many photons taking many paths, the result would be a spread, you would need to study much more than a time delay and would need to resolve a fair amount of detail.
So... another test, if I had an air-gap between a conductor and insulator, your electrons would still be able to travel as if unaffected by the insulation... because there's an air-gap? What about if I had a wire with bands of insulation spaced periodically along its length, I could form bunches of electricity because it travels much faster in the uninsulated sections and get congested in the insulated?
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If the bands were across then there would not be much dispersion.
If the bands were longi then there might be lots of dispersion depending on % of insulated versus bare i suppose.
I think that a thinnish say 10 mm threaded bar would have less dispersion than a 12 mm.
One problem with speed is that all metals have corrosion which must slow the electons (i mean the oxide, not the roughness). But if the threaded bar & plain bar are the same material then that might not be a big worry.
Anyhow, i reckon that there will be a consistent strong direct signal, & the crosstalk noise will be weak & non-consistent, ie it will change every time u change the geometry of the circuit (which is made of say 12 rods each 8 ft long)(perched high up on tomato stakes).
We had better start learning to speak a little Swedish.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: HuronKing on February 22, 2022, 06:47:23 pm ---
--- Quote from: penfold on February 22, 2022, 10:34:51 am ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 01:24:56 am ---[...]Dont forget light propagates at c throo the aether.
Actually Einstein said that light is slowed by the presence of mass. Which everyone ignores. So, light always propagates at less than c, koz there is nowhere in the universe that is not near mass.[...]
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When did Einstein say that? Experimental evidence has shown that speed of light is constant with relative distance to massive objects, but time and space dilation happens.
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Aetherist has to focus on Einstein because
1) it's a hallmark of crackpots to attack Einstein (see previous articles on this) and use his evolving opinions to highlight some kind of contradiction or hypocrisy (as if Einstein didn't learn new things between 1905 and 1916 or even 1950...)
2) it makes relativity seem like the mad ravings of a crackpot like themselves. "If Einstein could be wrong, I could be right!!!"
It is a deliberative attempt to ignore the contributions of the whole scientific community to devising, refining, and perfecting relativity.
Let's not forget that Einstein wrote that in 1905, relativity was "ripe for discovery" (if he didn't find it, someone else was going to) and the following individuals contributed to the formulation (list not even exhaustive):
Max Planck
Hermann Minkowski
Arnold Sommerfeld
Max Born
Paul Ehrenfest
Wilhelm Wien
Wolfgang Pauli
Pascual Jordan
Paul Dirac
The last one is important because the Dirac equation, a relativistic formulation of quantum mechanics, predicted antimatter.
And of course, the whole body of physics that's been done since the 1950s which has predicted a whole host of phenomena implemented into engineering technology.
I wonder if aetherist will start talking about phlogiston, Lamarckianism, and miasma.
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Experimental evidence shows that light has a constant speed through the aether.
And, light has a speed of c+V or c-V depending on whether the aetherwind is a headwind or a tailwind
It is nearly impossible to have a conversation about Einsteinian Relativity because Einsteinists can't agree amongst themselves about anything about Einsteinian Relativity.
I have read about Einsteinian stuff for 11 years. U can't tell me anything i don’t already know about relativities.
I can tell that u don’t know much about Mr & Mrs Einstein.
I can tell that u don’t know much about the relativities of Voigt & Cohn & Larmor & Lorentz & Poincare, & Einstein.
And all of them are rubbish. Larmor's ticking dilation of atoms is okish. Lorentz's (FitzGerald's actually) length contraction is on the right track, but wrong.
Heaviside had a bit to do with relativity. His friend Searle might be called the father of length contraction actually.
U reckon that Einstein had evolving opinions. But did he ever retract anything about his 1905 STR – no.
He did make lots of corrections to his papers over the months & years, when his mistakes were pointed out.
His STR & GTR are sheer nonsense. Impossible. Belief in them has to be a form of madness.
His followers have dumped much of what he said, but they still say that this or that proves Einstein was correct. Piffle.
HuronKing:
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 08:05:52 pm ---
Experimental evidence shows that light has a constant speed through the aether.
And, light has a speed of c+V or c-V depending on whether the aetherwind is a headwind or a tailwind
It is nearly impossible to have a conversation about Einsteinian Relativity because Einsteinists can't agree amongst themselves about anything about Einsteinian Relativity.
I have read about Einsteinian stuff for 11 years. U can't tell me anything i don’t already know about relativities.
I can tell that u don’t know much about Mr & Mrs Einstein.
I can tell that u don’t know much about the relativities of Voigt & Cohn & Larmor & Lorentz & Poincare, & Einstein.
And all of them are rubbish. Larmor's ticking dilation of atoms is okish. Lorentz's (FitzGerald's actually) length contraction is on the right track, but wrong.
Heaviside had a bit to do with relativity. His friend Searle might be called the father of length contraction actually.
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See. Your stuck in the 1920s, at best.
Dirac predicted antimatter from relativistic theory. Can you?
Feynman predicted the fine structure constant from relativistic QED. Can you?
Physics has moved on from Einstein - but you need him to be wrong, so you can be right... even though physics is well beyond whatever Einstein thought. That's why I listed all the people who came AFTER him to refine the theory up to Dirac's Equation (and even Dirac himself got left behind when QED got published).
Who gives a shit about Einstein? Truly? He died in 1955. QED was published in 1948 and awarded the Nobel Prize in 1965.
And at some point we'll stop giving a shit about QED as QCD or whatever more fundamental theory takes hold.
The people who accelerate particles close to the speed of light at Fermilab and CERN have no use for c+v or c-v formulations and they never report observing them.
You should send them a strongly worded letter. :-DD
penfold:
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 07:55:18 pm ---[...]
One problem with speed is that all metals have corrosion which must slow the electons (i mean the oxide, not the roughness). But if the threaded bar & plain bar are the same material then that might not be a big worry.
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Not all metals corrode at the same rate so some may even remain mostly oxide free for the duration of a test, a reasonably well controlled layer of oxide could even be incrimentally grown onto a test rod. Differrent oxides would have different properties, iron oxide is renowned for making things go slowly, so obviously thats the first candidate. Green copper oxide is a pretty fast colour, though not as fast as chrome oxide. Nickel is a wildcard.
Finally, I think I'm understanding this theory.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: HuronKing on February 22, 2022, 08:57:51 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 22, 2022, 08:05:52 pm ---
Experimental evidence shows that light has a constant speed through the aether.
And, light has a speed of c+V or c-V depending on whether the aetherwind is a headwind or a tailwind
It is nearly impossible to have a conversation about Einsteinian Relativity because Einsteinists can't agree amongst themselves about anything about Einsteinian Relativity.
I have read about Einsteinian stuff for 11 years. U can't tell me anything i don’t already know about relativities.
I can tell that u don’t know much about Mr & Mrs Einstein.
I can tell that u don’t know much about the relativities of Voigt & Cohn & Larmor & Lorentz & Poincare, & Einstein.
And all of them are rubbish. Larmor's ticking dilation of atoms is okish. Lorentz's (FitzGerald's actually) length contraction is on the right track, but wrong.
Heaviside had a bit to do with relativity. His friend Searle might be called the father of length contraction actually.
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See. Your stuck in the 1920s, at best.
Dirac predicted antimatter from relativistic theory. Can you?
Feynman predicted the fine structure constant from relativistic QED. Can you?
Physics has moved on from Einstein - but you need him to be wrong, so you can be right... even though physics is well beyond whatever Einstein thought. That's why I listed all the people who came AFTER him to refine the theory up to Dirac's Equation (and even Dirac himself got left behind when QED got published).
Who gives a shit about Einstein? Truly? He died in 1955. QED was published in 1948 and awarded the Nobel Prize in 1965.
And at some point we'll stop giving a shit about QED as QCD or whatever more fundamental theory takes hold.
The people who accelerate particles close to the speed of light at Fermilab and CERN have no use for c+v or c-v formulations and they never report observing them.
You should send them a strongly worded letter. :-DD
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Yes i steer clear from any quantum stuff. Hence i dont understand it. However i think that it uses aether. I am ok with models that give good numbers. But i cant argue re Q stuff. Does it use any kind of relativity? Does it use E=mcc?
Dirac predicted/discovered antimatter. I discovered electons, & i explained electricity in/on a wire.
But Einsteinian stuff in the modern super accurate era, & computer era, is failing.
I am not sure how aetherwind might affect CERN. If they did observe aetherwind they would of course never report it. They would invent some kind of excuse. In fact they are so clever that they would have no trouble finding a way to use that excuse to once again prove Einstein. Why defend when u can attack. Oh, wait, i forgot, they could score 3 home runs with the one hit, they could throw in a Nobel nomination. Whether they were awarded the Nobel would be another matter, i mean there are so many faux-discoveries out there, its like having umpteen gangs trying to rob the same bank on the same day.
STR is krapp -- & GTR is mostly krapp.
We are presently in the Einsteinian Dark Age of science -- but the times they are a-changin'.
The aether will return -- it never left.
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