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"Veritasium" (YT) - "The Big Misconception About Electricity" ?
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SandyCox:

--- Quote from: aetherist on February 24, 2022, 11:18:26 am ---
--- Quote from: SandyCox on February 24, 2022, 11:07:04 am ---You weren't able to spot the blatantly obvious mistake in Catt's paper. I assume that you are also unable to identify the mistakes in all these "papers".

When can we expect equations that describe "new electric"?

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Which mistake. I think u mean Cahill's paper. What mistakes in the other papers.
I have read all of them & i dont remember any mistakes, but it was a long time ago.

Equations have given us Higgs gluons gravitons etc. These only exist in mathland.
Electons are not mathland.

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Let's try one last time:

He confused a transmission line with a capacitor.

And no the two are not the same!

Electons live in crazy land.
penfold:

--- Quote from: aetherist on February 24, 2022, 11:18:26 am ---
--- Quote from: SandyCox on February 24, 2022, 11:07:04 am ---You weren't able to spot the blatantly obvious mistake in Catt's paper. I assume that you are also unable to identify the mistakes in all these "papers".

When can we expect equations that describe "new electric"?

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Which mistake. I think u mean Cahill's paper. What mistakes in the other papers.
I have read all of them & i dont remember any mistakes, but it was a long time ago.

Equations have given us Higgs gluons gravitons etc. These only exist in mathland.
Electons are not mathland.

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An electron is just as much a mathematical object as any other (detected) particle. Experimental evidence has shown that an entity or phenomina matching the characteristics of a Higgs exists just as much as an entity or phenomina matching the characteristics an electron exists. There remains a lot that we do not know about either. I'm sorry if you feel that just because you cannot see/feel/touch any of those particles that they may not exist and yes it relies on a lot of trust to believe the reports are true and incorrupt. Science is not easy, live with it.
adx:

--- Quote from: aetherist on February 24, 2022, 12:03:37 pm ---<snip stuff getting long just keeping for the link above>

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So my experiment wouldn't work it seems. There is an unanticipated (by me, and your numeric claims) side-wind effect which cancels or mostly cancels the headwind slowing tailwind speeding. It really sounds to me like you simply don't understand what I said, when you mention "average speed", which is the same whichever way my apparatus is pointing (that just doesn't sound right).

And there is now suddenly a correction to your given delay figures for length contraction (which I know you described earlier, so was inconsistent with your calcs, but is another strike against your calcs - I admit an inaptitude with numbers myself so perhaps the mistake is mine).

Can you see how this is rolling straight down from Lorentz land to come to unavoidable rest in Einstein land, like I said?

Because of its various adjustments and tweaks to minimise the otherwise easily measurable (my experiment isn't very clever and is just the first thing that came to mind after seeing your numbers), your theory is progressively removing all measurable effects from the aether's grip.

I'm not extremely against your theory, I just think if you don't think up something new real soon, you have unavoidably already landed very close to special relativity.

I like your twin media idea, but because thin insulation makes no difference to the speed of electricity down a wire, it's not going to achieve much, unfortunately.

Your screw thread idea was actually someone else's here. Nobody seems keen to say, but that will also fail because it also will have no effect on speed (unless it's my "solid core delay line" from earlier to mix cats and pigeons, dangerously).

It's good you provided a much clearer description of things like ticking dilation, but the above is a problem of facts, which end up rolling down from Newton Mountain through Maxwell Pass and Heaviside Steppe, on to Lorentz Hill then come to rest in Einstein Flat. That doesn't mean there are no other paths or further jouneys (which there are), just we have a lot mapped out for us, and how far off the beaten track you want to travel is up to the explorer. Just beware trying to beat a path into the sea.
HuronKing:

--- Quote from: penfold on February 24, 2022, 12:55:17 pm ---
An electron is just as much a mathematical object as any other (detected) particle. Experimental evidence has shown that an entity or phenomina matching the characteristics of a Higgs exists just as much as an entity or phenomina matching the characteristics an electron exists. There remains a lot that we do not know about either. I'm sorry if you feel that just because you cannot see/feel/touch any of those particles that they may not exist and yes it relies on a lot of trust to believe the reports are true and incorrupt. Science is not easy, live with it.

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I agree with much of what you said - though I would add that cloud chamber experiments offer something more than mathematics to ascribe some sense of physical reality to these particles. We can see the traces of these particles and we can see them deflect in the presence of magnetic fields. This is, as you likely already know, how they found the positron - something with as much mass as an electron deflecting the opposite way in these chambers.

There is remarkable triumph in the mathematics predicting such entities ought to exist (such as antimatter) and then finding traces of them via experiment. It's why I have so much admiration for Dirac, Feynman, Meitner, and Maxwell.

Seriously, this is absolutely amazing:
TimFox:
Another name for a physical electron (particle) that can be detected one-by-one with, for example, a Geiger–Müller counter, is the "beta" particle.
That nomenclature for a class of radiation named by Rutherford in 1899.  The positron, when discovered experimentally later, is often called a β+, while the electron is called a β-.
The three classic particles are distinguished from each other:  Alphas have small penetration, betas have medium penetration, and gammas have higher penetration.
Anyway, my employer before my retirement manufactures electron linear accelerators, producing electron beams with kinetic energy between roughly 1 and 25 MeV (depending on model). 
Since the rest-mass of the electron is approximately 0.511 MeV/c2, the effect of special relativity is very large at these energies.
(The electrons normally are used to produce x rays by Bremsstrahlung on a tungsten target.) 
The relativistic equation in my earlier post for energy vs. velocity of a massive particle is very important to the design of these accelerating structures, and they do work!
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