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"Veritasium" (YT) - "The Big Misconception About Electricity" ?

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adx:
Better wipe the chunks off that mic, have a member of the audience squirt me down with a water bottle, and rest against a speaker in the vain unthinking hope no one noticed as I battle inexplicable blursts of feedback to say this...


--- Quote from: aetherist on February 27, 2022, 05:52:00 am ---...
But there's more. I have also worked out how kum rain plus insulation has an effect.
Tony's email gave me a clue. He said that large drops have the effect of putting charge on the antenna, which creates noise.
Well, this tells me that the wetness on the outside of an insulated antenna creates a capacitor. The water has a charge, probably a negative charge.
And, worse, the insulation itself acts as a multiplier for the capacitance, as per a standard capacitor.
Thats why the 0.5 mm of water outside the plastic acts like it acts. And, thats why the thicker the plastic the larger the effect.
I am having a great day today.
I hope adx reads this.

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Yes (except for the charge). But what you've just stumbled on is how capacitance to 'space' slows the speed of the wavefront along an antenna element. The same would happen in a wire, and is the only or main reason you can think of that it slows to 2c/3 or whatever you use, when a dielectric surrounds it. So the falsification you so desperately sought to avoid, is now a result (and behavior) that you can use. Can you see how it would have been wrong to apply the one strike and it's out principle to your theory? The paint test you proposed would have failed, it was never going to mean anything. Can you see how it might be worth drawing on conventional theory, now that it is more of a match, than trying to destroy it all?

Anyway, I need to get some other stuff done.

TimFox:
The easiest to understand experimental evidence for time dilation in the real world involved flying "atomic clocks" in opposite directions on jetliners back in 1971.
Perhaps you heard about it?  http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Relativ/airtim.html
Note that both gravitational (general relativity) and the larger kinematic (special relativity) effects are quantitatively important in the predictions that agree nicely with the experimental results.

bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: aetherist on February 27, 2022, 01:28:04 am ---
Here are some of [Feynman's] better sayings. Most of his sayings did not impress me at all.
[...]

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.
[...]


--- End quote ---

Pseudo-science is the belief in the expertise of the ignorant.

Alex Eisenhut:
Oh I see now, "electon" is your name for your pet theory. Nice. How about protons? There are energy levels inside the nucleus, shifting those around causes gamma rays. Are they photons?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_isomer

And doing a TDR of a threaded rod vs a smooth rod should be easy, I have some 1S2 3.9GHz plugins... none of which work, really. :-DD

aetherist:

--- Quote from: adx on February 27, 2022, 02:04:05 pm ---Better wipe the chunks off that mic, have a member of the audience squirt me down with a water bottle, and rest against a speaker in the vain unthinking hope no one noticed as I battle inexplicable blursts of feedback to say this...
--- Quote from: aetherist on February 27, 2022, 05:52:00 am ---...But there's more. I have also worked out how kum rain plus insulation has an effect.
Tony's email gave me a clue. He said that large drops have the effect of putting charge on the antenna, which creates noise.
Well, this tells me that the wetness on the outside of an insulated antenna creates a capacitor. The water has a charge, probably a negative charge.
And, worse, the insulation itself acts as a multiplier for the capacitance, as per a standard capacitor.
Thats why the 0.5 mm of water outside the plastic acts like it acts. And, thats why the thicker the plastic the larger the effect. I am having a great day today. I hope adx reads this.
--- End quote ---
  Yes (except for the charge). But what you've just stumbled on is how capacitance to 'space' slows the speed of the wavefront along an antenna element. The same would happen in a wire, and is the only or main reason you can think of that it slows to 2c/3 or whatever you use, when a dielectric surrounds it. So the falsification you so desperately sought to avoid, is now a result (and behavior) that you can use. Can you see how it would have been wrong to apply the one strike and it's out principle to your theory? The paint test you proposed would have failed, it was never going to mean anything. Can you see how it might be worth drawing on conventional theory, now that it is more of a match, than trying to destroy it all?
Anyway, I need to get some other stuff done.
--- End quote ---

The foray into the insulated antenna paradox was never a test of new electricity (electons) versus old electricity (drifting electrons), koz, both theories demand that electricity propagates at 2c/3 if insulated. Hence both theories will fail/fall together. And as far as i can make out they do fail/fall. I was expecting a 33% reduction in happy frequency not  3%. I would like to find out why not 33%. The only thing that i can come up with is that it involves the feed from the antenna to the radio. If the antenna is L metres & the feed is  10L metres then that might do the trick. But i wont be pursuing any of that. If electons & drifting electrons were not bedfellows then i would be forced to follow it. One strike & electons are out, but so too are drifting electrons. And i aint looking for a newer form of electricity (photrons?). No, it is a paradox, not a catastrophe, & the answer might be found one day.

The capacitance to space does not slow the electricity. U will find that the paint duz slow the electricity, koz electons hugging the surface of the wire/rod are slowed in plastic (down to 2c/3). I am happy to put $ on it (i need a good scope). I have been aware (or at least suspected) that lumped element transmission line enthusiasts consider that feeding em into space somehow slows electricity. Nope. Impossible. It will of course rob power, & will in that sense slow the power, but the m/s of the leading edge of the signal will not be slowed by this feeding of the hungry impedance of space. Up to now i have not worried about giving u fellows this bad news, koz i didn’t want to melt your brains. This is fertile ground for my cleverness, but not today.

So, your attempt to save old electricity here (by invoking a non-existent slowing affect of the feeding of the impedance of space) is futile. If such slowing were true then that would mean that during a transient electricity was slow, & after the transient electricity is faster. I admit that this area is ripe for argument, but i hope u don’t go there. Certainly no high authority has ever invoked that gambit (to try to sidestep the catastrophe of the slow speed of em in Cu)(10 m/s). Even William Beaty could do no better than to try to invoke a leapfrogging em (which has never been gleefully adopted by anyone else)(not even by frogs)(nor toads). 

The feeding of (my new) capacitance of wet insulated wires of an antenna likewise must rob power but (contrary to your assertion) in no way adds to the slowing of electricity in the insulated wire. But i want to reflect a while on my cleverness in discovering the explanation for the quandary of how the wetness on the outside of an insulated antenna affects antenna performance, by creating a capacitor (where the water is the negative plate)(& the thick insulation gives a very high dielectric constant). Brilliant. No wanking jokes please.

Pollack would tell us that the water has a negative charge, due to a thin layer of Exclusion Zone Water forming on the surface (usually on the bare wire)(or on the insulation here). The protons from the Exclusion Zone Water are expelled into the surrounding ordinary water, & the ordinary water is largely lost due to mechanical processes, leaving a negatively charged thin layer of water on the insulation. Tony Wakefield's 'large raindrops having a charge & causing noise in the signal' is also explained by Exclusion Zone Water.

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