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"Veritasium" (YT) - "The Big Misconception About Electricity" ?
aetherist:
--- Quote from: TimFox on March 01, 2022, 04:36:59 am ---"I don’t know much about atomic clocks. Some i think have a quartz crystal as a part of their circuitry. So i am not sure whether they are truly atomic."
Atomic clocks rely on the energy levels of atoms, so that a transition corresponds (by elementary quantum mechanics) to a frequency, as in the definition I quoted.
If you don't understand that, how can you talk about the difference between quartz and atom-beam clocks?
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Early atomic clocks had a quartz crystal in their circuitry.
Are u sure that there are some moderner versions that dont have quartz?
Anyhow, if an atomic clock has quartz, then there is a chance that the aetherwind can have a similar ticking dilation effect as for a plain quartz clock.
No wonder Hafele & Keating had such a hard time.
If i were on the team i could have solved their quandary.
Ignorance of electons might give the same kind of trouble -- if u dont know exactly what is happening then u might end up like poor Hafele & Keating.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on March 01, 2022, 03:46:33 am ---I thought the concept of aether (that I was more used to seeing spelled ether) was long abandoned, but apparently not. Even seems to be a whole "community" of people around that idea.
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It was never abandoned. Anyone can google re the history of that. I suggest -- Demjanov, Reg Cahill, Michelson, Miller, Munera, Marmet. But then it might result in 10 years of interesting follow-up study.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: adx on March 01, 2022, 04:04:14 am ---I had wondered about the 'other sort' of tobacco - but it was too obvious to account for all the experimental effects.
Then "Tobacco smoke was whisked axially upwards" hinted at far-reaching (for days after) experimental consequences of quadru-bottle triple-distilled double-shot single-malt, but even that volume of aethernol can't support the sheer magnitude of the reported experimental (d)effects.
No, the only poison of choice which suits the dire weirdness of this thread is that of John Lilly and NASA's dolphin sex house:
https://boingboing.net/2021/02/22/the-dolphin-house-a-documentary-on-john-lilly-and-margaret-howes-attempts-to-communicate-with-dolphins.html
Science.
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If ever there is any successful follow-up of Podkletnov's spinning disc experiments re anti-gravity & re ticking dilation then the serendipitious rising smoke episode would become very famous.
I don’t believe in anti-gravity, except for the faux-gravity or pseudo-gravity kind of effect that i reckon might/will be produced near spinning discs because of my centrifuging of aether effects.
Once again here we have an example of ignorance leading to a quandary or paradox. Engineers can't explain how supposedly very accurate clocks in some planes are not as accurate as they should be.
I came along & pointed out that the clocks were often mounted close to the plane's gyros, hence the centrifuging of aether affected the ticking.
But there's more. I have pointed out that even if they were to move the clocks or the gyros then they would still suffer the same problem, but a weaker version, if they parked the plane on the same north or south etc orientation in the hangar – the orientation should be varied (to reduce ticking dilation).
The problem here being the aetherwind. It blows at a maximum on a certain orientation. If u know what the maximum orientation is, & if u know certain particulars re the clock itself, then it might be possible to calculate the orientation that gives the minimum trouble, & park the plane on that orientation each night.
Or, i suppose, the easiest thing might be to simply correct the clock more often.
daqq:
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 01, 2022, 05:34:04 am ---Early atomic clocks had a quartz crystal in their circuitry.
Are u sure that there are some moderner versions that dont have quartz?
Anyhow, if an atomic clock has quartz, then there is a chance that the aetherwind can have a similar ticking dilation effect as for a plain quartz clock.
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Atomic clocks do have a quartz, but it's in a loop, always being adjusted by the 'reference' physical phenomena. Basically any effect the shifting of the frequency of the quartz or the surrounding circuitry would have is compensated by the physical phenomena.
Before you start arguing that aether-based gremlins are affecting the 'reference' physical phenomena as well, well, they would have to affect a wide variety of different phenomena in the exact same way. Atomic clocks are based of of several principles. You may wish to take a look at them.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: daqq on March 01, 2022, 07:05:46 am ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 01, 2022, 05:34:04 am ---Early atomic clocks had a quartz crystal in their circuitry.
Are u sure that there are some moderner versions that dont have quartz?
Anyhow, if an atomic clock has quartz, then there is a chance that the aetherwind can have a similar ticking dilation effect as for a plain quartz clock.
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Atomic clocks do have a quartz, but it's in a loop, always being adjusted by the 'reference' physical phenomena. Basically any effect the shifting of the frequency of the quartz or the surrounding circuitry would have is compensated by the physical phenomena.
Before you start arguing that aether-based gremlins are affecting the 'reference' physical phenomena as well, well, they would have to affect a wide variety of different phenomena in the exact same way. Atomic clocks are based of of several principles. You may wish to take a look at them.
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In that case the length contraction effect on atomic clocks might have little to do with the quartz.
However, atomic clocks will i think have their own atomic problem with length contraction.
I think that in effect atomic clocks (& almost every kind of gadget that ever exists) can be detectors for aetherwind. Every gadget ever made will be affected differently, but, that effect is always a signal. If u can work out the calibration for that signal then u have an aetherwind detector. Of course a purpose made detector will always be better. It will if possible make use of one strong effect. But, there will always be other weaker effects, usually relegated to being called noise – no – they are signals, albeit non-wanted signals.
The oldendays MMXs had about 4 major signals & about 10 minor signals. They didn’t ever work out the proper calibration back then, but they got fairly useful results anyhow. The proper calibrations were not discovered until Demjanov came along in Russia in 1968, & Munera in Brazil or somesuch in about 1990, & then Cahill in Adelaide in about 2001. Nearly forgot, me myself i finished the job (or at least took it to the next level) in Ballarat in 2018. I explained the biggest non-wanted signal. The elephant in the room for MMXs. And, for good measure, i identified another major spurious systematic error, that was periodic in a full turn, i explained that it was due to angle contraction of mirrors, & was not an error, it was a signal (albeit with no known calibration)(but i alone could work out the calibration if ever needed).
So, every gadget ever made has aetherwind gremlins. And ignorance of aetherwind effects can (& duz) hurt the progress of science.
Re atomic clocks. The effect of elevation on ticking has 2 effects. One is due to the aetherwind. One is due to the nearness of mass (which is not the same thing as being due to gravity)(but i wont explain today).
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