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TimFox:
Since then, the muon measurements to demonstrate time dilation have become so common that they are assigned as advanced undergraduate lab experiments.
Here is an example from 1990, 28 years after the experiment you are criticizing. This paper is a detailed practical guide to performing the experiment during a day trip to a nearby mountain.
https://scholarworks.smith.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&context=phy_facpubs
Apparently, the authors of this 1990 paper (in V. Conclusion) anticipated your reaction:
"The concept of relativistic time dilation is both exciting and difficult for a student in the first modern physics course and this experiment helps to convert skeptics to believers."
HuronKing:
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 16, 2022, 09:20:07 pm ---Re the muon X (time dilation) being done every day, & re me being ignorant ovem, i thort that any such experiment had to be done in 2 parts, one at high altitude, & one at low altitude. Do undergrads ever take their equipment to the top of a hill?
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Uhh... yes? Like I said... THEY DO THIS EXPERIMENT ALL THE TIME. |O
https://scholarworks.smith.edu/phy_facpubs/41/
--- Quote ---The measured muon flux on a mountain relative to that measured at sea level can be compared to predictions from calculations that take into account the relativistic time dilation in the muon frame. Situations under which such an experiment can be successfully performed are explored with a day-long field trip to a nearby mountain. This experiment has been developed at Smith College as a module in the Five College cooperative undergraduate advanced laboratory course (other participating institutions are Amherst College, Mount Holyoke College, and the University of Massachusetts).
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https://gustavus.edu/physics/concertFiles/media/Cosmic_Ray_Muon_Detection_Thesis.pdf
--- Quote ---To make the experiment more portable, a compact muon detector consisting of a slab of plastic scintillator with a silicon photomultiplier was constructed and placed in a high-altitude balloon.
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But no, you're stuck in 1962, or 1905, or whatever. You think that my pointing out how utterly clueless you are is 'bullying' but the fact is that you have no idea what happens in a basic 3rd year physics education (even as I and others are spoonfeeding it to you) and you have no intellectual curiosity to even find out on your own. This is pathetic and sad. I'm not against ignorance in general, we all have things to learn all the time - but I am against cranks trolling threads with constant and persistently incoherent nonsense.
PS
Looks like TimFox already found some of the same links I've found.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: TimFox on March 16, 2022, 09:57:35 pm ---Since then, the muon measurements to demonstrate time dilation have become so common that they are assigned as advanced undergraduate lab experiments.
Here is an example from 1990, 28 years after the experiment you are criticizing. This paper is a detailed practical guide to performing the experiment during a day trip to a nearby mountain.
https://scholarworks.smith.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&context=phy_facpubs
Apparently, the authors of this 1990 paper (in V. Conclusion) anticipated your reaction:
"The concept of relativistic time dilation is both exciting and difficult for a student in the first modern physics course and this experiment helps to convert skeptics to believers."
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I do not believe in time dilation. I do not believe in spacetime.
I believe in ticking dilation.
How exactly duz this muon X rule out ticking dilation?
How duz it rule out an aether?
I am glad to see that advanced muon lab experiments are now common.
But it’s a pity that sense aint.
TimFox:
Spoken like a true believer. Anything you find "icky" must be wrong, regardless of the experimental data.
By the way, an efficient old-fashioned way to look for later experiments is to start with the original 1942 publication (before the 1962 experiment that became a film): B Rossi and D B Hall, Phys. Rev. 61 675-679.
Then enter it into a citation index, such as https://scholarworks.smith.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&context=phy_facpubs
From there, you will get a list of later papers that cited the one you started with.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: TimFox on March 16, 2022, 10:31:55 pm ---Spoken like a true believer. Anything you find "icky" must be wrong, regardless of the experimental data.
By the way, an efficient old-fashioned way to look for later experiments is to start with the original 1942 publication (before the 1962 experiment that became a film): B Rossi and D B Hall, Phys. Rev. 61 675-679.
Then enter it into a citation index, such as https://scholarworks.smith.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1041&context=phy_facpubs
From there, you will get a list of later papers that cited the one you started with.
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How do muon (time dilation) Xs rule out neoLorentz ticking dilation?
How do they rule out an aether?
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