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| TimFox:
The observed decay rate of high-speed (relativistic) muons agrees with special-relativity time dilation, using the equations in Einstein's seminal paper "On the electrodynamics of moving bodies" (1905). A modern English translation can be found at http://hermes.ffn.ub.es/luisnavarro/nuevo_maletin/Einstein_1905_relativity.pdf (On the first page, Einstein noted that at the time of writing the paper, he had not yet learned of Lorentz' paper.) Aether is not required. In Einstein's words, "The introduction of a “luminiferous ether” will prove to be superfluous inasmuch as the view here to be developed will not require an “absolutely stationary space” provided with special properties". |
| aetherist:
--- Quote from: HuronKing on March 16, 2022, 10:02:59 pm --- --- Quote from: aetherist on March 16, 2022, 09:20:07 pm ---Re the muon X (time dilation) being done every day, & re me being ignorant ovem, i thort that any such experiment had to be done in 2 parts, one at high altitude, & one at low altitude. Do undergrads ever take their equipment to the top of a hill? --- End quote --- Uhh... yes? Like I said... THEY DO THIS EXPERIMENT ALL THE TIME. |O https://scholarworks.smith.edu/phy_facpubs/41/ --- Quote ---The measured muon flux on a mountain relative to that measured at sea level can be compared to predictions from calculations that take into account the relativistic time dilation in the muon frame. Situations under which such an experiment can be successfully performed are explored with a day-long field trip to a nearby mountain. This experiment has been developed at Smith College as a module in the Five College cooperative undergraduate advanced laboratory course (other participating institutions are Amherst College, Mount Holyoke College, and the University of Massachusetts). --- End quote --- https://gustavus.edu/physics/concertFiles/media/Cosmic_Ray_Muon_Detection_Thesis.pdf --- Quote ---To make the experiment more portable, a compact muon detector consisting of a slab of plastic scintillator with a silicon photomultiplier was constructed and placed in a high-altitude balloon. --- End quote --- But no, you're stuck in 1962, or 1905, or whatever. You think that my pointing out how utterly clueless you are is 'bullying' but the fact is that you have no idea what happens in a basic 3rd year physics education (even as I and others are spoonfeeding it to you) and you have no intellectual curiosity to even find out on your own. This is pathetic and sad. I'm not against ignorance in general, we all have things to learn all the time - but I am against cranks trolling threads with constant and persistently incoherent nonsense. PS Looks like TimFox already found some of the same links I've found. --- End quote --- How exactly do muon (time dilation) Xs rule out ticking dilation? How do they rule out an aether? |
| aetherist:
--- Quote from: TimFox on March 16, 2022, 10:40:49 pm ---The observed decay rate of high-speed (relativistic) muons agrees with special-relativity time dilation. Aether is not required. --- End quote --- The observed decay rate of high-speed (relativistic) muons agrees with neoLorentz ticking dilation. Spacetime is not required. |
| penfold:
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 16, 2022, 08:29:46 pm ---[...] Yes but the point that i was making was that an experiment confirms every theory that would give that result. And there are an infinite number of such theories, some not yet written. In the case of the muon time dilation experiments, all of them also confirm neoLorentz Relativity (which is an aether theory). But Einsteinists seem to think that Einsteinian time dilation is the only ticking dilation in town. --- End quote --- Ok, you're still choosing to ignore the rational basis of science. Great, neo-Lorentz is the new ticking dilation in town... unfortunately the townspeople are in an uproar because they can't get consistent enough results to design anything with it... how do you intend to address that problem? |
| aetherist:
--- Quote from: penfold on March 16, 2022, 10:44:06 pm --- --- Quote from: aetherist on March 16, 2022, 08:29:46 pm ---[...]Yes but the point that i was making was that an experiment confirms every theory that would give that result. And there are an infinite number of such theories, some not yet written. In the case of the muon time dilation experiments, all of them also confirm neoLorentz Relativity (which is an aether theory). But Einsteinists seem to think that Einsteinian time dilation is the only ticking dilation in town. --- End quote --- Ok, you're still choosing to ignore the rational basis of science. Great, neo-Lorentz is the new ticking dilation in town... unfortunately the townspeople are in an uproar because they can't get consistent enough results to design anything with it... how do you intend to address that problem? --- End quote --- I don’t know of any designs based on Einsteinian STR time dilation (or Einsteinian STR length contraction), nor based on neoLorentz (aetherwind) ticking dilation (nor neoLorentz (aetherwind) length contraction). Nor do i know of any designs based on Einsteinian GTR time dilation (or Einsteinian GTR length contraction). GTR says that light is slowed by the nearness of mass. Einsteinist's say that this slowing affects time dilation. But i think that they fail to see that it must also affect length contraction (what i call GTR length contraction)(which i invented)(a different animal to STR length contraction). neoLorentz Relativity duznt recognise the GTR slowing of light near mass, hence neoLorentz Relativity duznt recognise GTR ticking dilation or GTR length contraction (hence neoLorentz Relativity is wrong here). Einsteinists too don’t usually recognise any GTR time dilation, & they never recognise any GTR length contraction (i invented GTR length contraction)(a few minutes ago)(so Einsteinist's & neoLorentz Relativists are both wrong here). Wait a mo. I am wrong. Einsteinian Relativity has been used to design all kinds of subatomic particles. Probly mainly koz they used (miss-used) E=mcc. neoLorentz Relativity has no equivalent of E=mcc. But i think that neoLorentz Relativity duz recognise that massive things can have an apparent mass in addition to having a true mass. The apparent mass is due to the aetherwind affecting the lengths of rods & the ticking of clocks. True mass is in the absolute reference frame, where the aetherwind is zero km/s. |
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