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Bud:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 15, 2022, 10:13:54 pm ---That is because " Engineers are essentially dumbed-down "physicists". "
 :popcorn:

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To me it is the other way around. Engineers spend time at the whiteboard writing equations and then go to the bench and use the soldering iron and physical artefacts to proof the model. Physicist only spent time at the witeboard writing equations unable to prove in real world, and therefore they are dumber than engineers.
ogden:

--- Quote from: Bud on January 17, 2022, 09:15:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 15, 2022, 10:13:54 pm ---That is because " Engineers are essentially dumbed-down "physicists".

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To me it is the other way around. Engineers spend time at the whiteboard writing equations and then go to the bench and use the soldering iron and physical artefacts to proof the model. Physicist only spent time at the witeboard writing equations unable to prove in real world, and therefore they are dumber than engineers.

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Time out :)

Scientists are indeed capable of doing experiments and proving them in real world, yet they are less experienced in real world applications compared to engineers. On contrary engineers are not that experienced in whiteboards. In short: both are needed. Best innovations usually come out of teams containing both kinds of professionals - scientists and engineers.
ogden:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 17, 2022, 12:41:02 am ---Can you transfer energy from one wire to another distant (but unconnected to the first) one, at DC steady state? If you can't, why? =)

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Sure. Electron beam it is. Reference: vacuum tubes, CRT monitors.
SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: Bud on January 17, 2022, 09:15:35 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 15, 2022, 10:13:54 pm ---That is because " Engineers are essentially dumbed-down "physicists". "
 :popcorn:

--- End quote ---
To me it is the other way around. Engineers spend time at the whiteboard writing equations and then go to the bench and use the soldering iron and physical artefacts to proof the model. Physicist only spent time at the witeboard writing equations unable to prove in real world, and therefore they are dumber than engineers.

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I was merely quoting someone else here. In a tongue-in-cheek way. It seems to be getting more reaction when I post it, though. ;D

As I said in the other thread, I do not even think this is true in general. That would assume "physicists" (as if, btw, it covered a homogenous reality) are a "superset" of engineers, thus being able to do the same things, and of course, more. Which is only marginally the case, and can't be generalized.
bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: ogden on January 16, 2022, 09:26:32 pm ---
--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on January 15, 2022, 10:13:54 pm ---That is because " Engineers are essentially dumbed-down "physicists". " :popcorn:

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LOL :) Quite accurate. Engineers are taught to be effective - to *not* dig into deep details of underlying physics and calculations as long as simplified model gives results within target tolerance.

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Nope. Engineers are taught to build machines, structures, systems, etc. And if required dig deep in the underlying physics and calculations. These days they resort oftentimes to simulations and other tools, but they need to understand the meaning of the data they are inputting  and know how to interpret the results. They get the appropriate training for that in their degrees. Of course there are all kinds of specialization and post-graduate courses in engineering, but many can get away with their basic education. My experience has shown me that knowledgeable engineers are highly esteemed in the industry because they help solving problems much quicker and with much more precision. And that's efficiency.
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