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TimFox:
When radioactivity was first discovered, around 1900, three types were identified:  alpha, beta, and gamma.
They were initially named in order of their penetrating power through matter.
Since their first discovery, it was found and demonstrated experimentally that beta particles were negatively-charged electrons, and gamma rays were uncharged photons.
In 1900, Becquerel determined that the charge/mass ratio of beta particles equaled that of electrons in cathode rays.
Around 1914, it was demonstrated that gammas are electromagnetic radiation, i.e., photons.
How, then, can electrons be photons and vice-versa?  Electrons have charge and mass, photons have neither charge nor mass.
aetherist:

--- Quote from: TimFox on May 08, 2022, 11:09:36 pm ---When radioactivity was first discovered, around 1900, three types were identified:  alpha, beta, and gamma.
They were initially named in order of their penetrating power through matter.
Since their first discovery, it was found and demonstrated experimentally that beta particles were negatively-charged electrons, and gamma rays were uncharged photons.
In 1900, Becquerel determined that the charge/mass ratio of beta particles equalled that of electrons in cathode rays.
Around 1914, it was demonstrated that gammas are electromagnetic radiation, i.e., photons.
How, then, can electrons be photons and vice-versa?  Electrons have charge and mass, photons have neither charge nor mass.
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Good questions.
Gammas are photons. Radio waves are em radiation. Radio waves are not photons. Gammas are not em radiation. EM radiation is emitted by photons, it is a part of every photon.

An electron is a photon that has formed a loop by biting its own tail. At which time the em radiation splits, some going out (negative charge), some going in (which is then annihilated)(Williamson explains)(he says that the loop has a twist, hence all of the negative em radiation always goes outwards)(or most of it).
Jeans called an electron "bottled light".
Catt i think called an electron "a rolled up photon".
A positron has the positive charge going out, negative charge going in (where it is annihilated).

Electrons do not orbit a nucleus. Photons orbit a nucleus. In that sense we have 2 kinds of electron. One kind orbits nothing (& has the form of a loop). The other kind orbits a nucleus (& need not be a complete loop)(ie it need not bite its own tail).

Mass is a bit of a mystery. Firstly photons do have mass. The question arises -- how come a photon gains lots of mass when it becomes an electron. Williamson mentions a possible way.
Mass is the ability to annihilate aether. Something that has more mass annihilates more aether.
However, i have my own theory. A photon propagates along a line, hence the inflow of aether giving us what we call mass flows in perpendicular to the line, ie the inflow streamlines converge in 2 dimensions, while the guilty photon leaves the scene at the speed of light.
Meanwhile back at the ranch, an electron is a photon that is constrained in 3 dimension, the inflow streamlines converge in 3 dimensions, to a (stationary) point rather than to a line (which is fleeing at c).
I think that the convergence of streamlines, & the stationary versus fleeing stuff, might explain the difference in gravitational mass tween a photon & an electron.

My new (electon) electricity, ie my electons, consist of photons that hug the surface of a wire, rather than hugging a nucleus. Electons are photons that are constrained in 2 dimensions. Free photons (light) are constrained in 1 dimension. Electrons are photons that are constrained in 3 dimension (usually called confined photons).

Everything that we feel & see is made of photons. Photons are the fundamental (quasi) particle.
When photons form loops they give us every other kind of elementary particle (electrons quarks etc).

There are 3 forms of electricity. My electons (on a wire). Free surface electrons (on a wire).  Possibly drifting electrons (inside a wire).

The charge on a capacitor consists of my electons on the negative plate, & induced free-surface-electrons on the other plate. However, my new (electon) electricity is a work in progress. I need to tick all of the boxes.

My electons immediately & simply explain why the discharge of a capacitor takes twice the time predicted by the flawed standard circuit theory.  In the meantime everyone around here is talking rubbish about capacitors.
TimFox:
So photons form a loop, and gain mass to become electrons.
Whence comes the charge?
I'm glad to see you admit the possibility of electrons drifting:  TI and the other semiconductor manufacturers can now continue their processes.
Electrons accelerating emit electromagnetic radiation:  see antenna theory and synchrotron radiation (both of which work).
Photons interacting with electrons can increase the energy of the electrons:  see atomic structure theory (not the archaic "orbits" you keep harping on) and spectroscopy (both of which work).
Naej:

--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 08, 2022, 03:06:09 am ---
--- Quote from: Naej on May 07, 2022, 11:22:27 pm ---It certainly deserves to be separated  because the physical behavior is quite different:
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Separated.

Since the 19th century, everybody thought that everything electric and magnetic, from DC to cosmic rays, through radio waves, heat, light, ultraviolet, X-rays and whatnot, is the manifestation of the same freaking physical phenomenon.

Now you're saying that they are different. I wonder why the Nobel Committee has not noticed you yet.

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Oh they are both implied by Maxwell's equations.
But because their physical behavior is quite different, they are called differently. Much like DC current and gamma rays are called differently. Duh.
You don't call wires, capacitors, coils and antennae "Maxwell stuff" do you?


--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 08, 2022, 03:06:09 am ---
--- Quote ---Yes I can. Energy flows in wires and reappear in a lightbulb/engine/LED.

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--- Quote ---Yes energy is transferred from the battery to the short, through the wire.

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If you say so, it must be true.

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Well you say energy flows through vacuum just to mock engineers, why can't I say it flows through wires?
bsfeechannel:

--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 08, 2022, 03:52:02 pm ---The circuit theory is perfectly capable in solving the two parallel capacitor problem.

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--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 08, 2022, 06:00:14 pm ---There is no such thing as conservation of charge. The conservation of energy is a law.

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Kirchhoff's circuital laws (KCL/KVL) are an extension of the principle of conservation of charge. So your assertions above are contradictory.


--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 08, 2022, 08:01:03 pm ---I looked probably at all forms of energy generation and energy storage so maybe that gives me a better understanding of energy.

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You lack fundamental understanding though.
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