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Veritasium "How Electricity Actually Works"
electrodacus:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 09, 2022, 01:05:52 am ---
You lack fundamental understanding though.
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I proved that energy travels through wires in multiple ways sumarized in this post https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/veritasium-how-electricity-actually-works/msg4156462/#msg4156462
Let me know what part of that is wrong.
The entire discussion is about energy traveling through wires or outside of wires. Same can be summarized as energy traveling through a capacitor (not the leakage through dielectric) that is basically what Derek will say vs energy flows in and out of the capacitor as capacitor is an energy storage device and that is what I and everyone that has correct understanding of reality is saying.
aetherist:
--- Quote from: TimFox on May 09, 2022, 12:44:22 am ---So photons form a loop, and gain mass to become electrons.
Whence comes the charge?
I'm glad to see you admit the possibility of electrons drifting: TI and the other semiconductor manufacturers can now continue their processes.
Electrons accelerating emit electromagnetic radiation: see antenna theory and synchrotron radiation (both of which work).
Photons interacting with electrons can increase the energy of the electrons: see atomic structure theory (not the archaic "orbits" you keep harping on) and spectroscopy (both of which work).
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I like the ideas (re charge) coming from Williamson, & also from Conrad Ranzan. Here are some links to Williamson.
Is the electron a photon with toroidal topology. Williamson & van der Mark. 1997.
http://home.claranet.nl/users/benschop/electron.pdf
On the nature of the photon and the electron. J.G.Williamson 2015?
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/281749668_On_the_nature_of_the_photon_and_the_electron
A new theory of light and matter. J.G.Williamson. (Dated: July 18, 2014)
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/323873485_A_new_theory_of_light_and_matter
I think i am ok with that electrons accelerating stuff. And i am ok with that photons interacting with electrons stuff.
Re electricity, one can in many cases just change electron to electon.
In antennas it is the electons sloshing up&back, not electrons. And the electons emit em radiation.
In synchrotrons it is i suppose electrons going round & round, emitting em radiation.
I am ok with that.
hamster_nz:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 09, 2022, 01:21:21 am ---The entire discussion is about energy traveling through wires or outside of wires. Same can be summarized as energy traveling through a capacitor (not the leakage through dielectric) that is basically what Derek will say vs energy flows in and out of the capacitor as capacitor is an energy storage device and that is what I and everyone that has correct understanding of reality is saying.
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Is that statement compatible with an LED + resistor between two physically small capacitors emitting light for a few seconds - a physical demonstration that energy can flow through the dielectric of the capacitors, even though electric charge can't.
If a glowing LED doesn't suffice, how about you put a third identical capacitor in the middle (so three capacitors in series). apply 12V. Then, with out switching off the 12V, remove the middle capacitor, walk it to the other side of the room and measure the voltage on it with a DMM. It will read 4V, and will have 1/2 C V^2 Joules of energy in it. That energy is far higher than a microamp or so of leakage current count account for.
Where did it this energy come from? How does that energy get into the middle capacitor if energy can only flow in wires and not through capacitors?
Maybe your definition of "energy traveling through [a capacitor]" doesn't match mine?
Acutally, what is your definition of "energy traveling through" something?
bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: Naej on May 09, 2022, 01:01:29 am ---Oh they are both implied by Maxwell's equations.
But because their physical behavior is quite different, they are called differently. Much like DC current and gamma rays are called differently. Duh.
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Precisely. Theories like the Newton's law of gravitation or Maxwell's equations are breakthroughs because they show that things that on the surface appear to be different are in fact just aspects of the same crap.
So, to the untrained eye, radiation, capacitive coupling and "transmission of energy through wires" look like different and uncorrelated things.
But those in the know know that they're the same thing.
--- Quote ---You don't call wires, capacitors, coils and antennae "Maxwell stuff" do you?
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Why not? Will they get offended?
--- Quote ---Well you say energy flows through vacuum just to mock engineers, why can't I say it flows through wires?
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You don't get it. I AM an engineer. If you want to contradict the experimental data, knock yourself out.
bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 09, 2022, 01:21:21 am ---I proved that energy travels through wires in multiple ways sumarized in this post https://www.eevblog.com/forum/chat/veritasium-how-electricity-actually-works/msg4156462/#msg4156462
Let me know what part of that is wrong.
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I just did it. From a contradiction you can prove whatever, remember? So the flaw of your entire reasoning lies in the fact that you don't understand the most fundamental tenets of electricity. Go back to the books and if you have any question, we're here to help.
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