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| bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: Naej on May 09, 2022, 04:19:50 pm ---Clearly you're not doing this so why don't you answer your own question? --- End quote --- Cause that's your assumption. --- Quote ---I don't, I'm just saying energy flows through wires, which contradicts no experimental data whatsoever. --- End quote --- It contradicts all the experimental data since the times of the discovery of electromagnetism in the 19th century until this very day. But if you want to ignore that, be my guest. --- Quote ---If there were experimental data supporting the energy part of the slogan "Wires transfer charge. Space transfers energy." we would have known about them and they would be in books. ::) --- End quote --- They are. I even showed you where this is in the very first book on the matter. You probably haven't read many books on the subject. |
| bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 09, 2022, 06:17:58 pm ---I think that is a fantastic video and unless you do not agree that is what happens there it debunks Derek's claim that energy travels outside the wire in his experiment. --- End quote --- Absolutely nothing in this video debunks Derek's experiment. Charges are conducted by conductors, and the energy is transferred by the fields through the various dielectric materials (air, plastic, etc.) So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
| electrodacus:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 09, 2022, 06:35:50 pm --- Absolutely nothing in this video debunks Derek's experiment. Charges are conducted by conductors, and the energy is transferred by the fields through the various dielectric materials (air, plastic, etc.) So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ --- End quote --- Please pay more attention to the video. There is no transfer of energy between the rotating disks and laden jars (large capacitors) until voltage is high enough to have electrons travel the gap Similarly when you have a spark between the spark gap energy flows from capacitors trough conductors and finally through the arc (plasma). There is only 20V in Derek's video and about 1m of gap thus no electrons will flow at that low of a voltage and such a large gap. The energy flow you see in those first 65ns are due to transmission line (capacitor) being charged and all energy travels through wires as it is traveling in this generator where the arc/plasma is also a conductor. |
| Naej:
--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on May 09, 2022, 06:19:50 pm --- --- Quote ---I don't, I'm just saying energy flows through wires, which contradicts no experimental data whatsoever. --- End quote --- It contradicts all the experimental data since the times of the discovery of electromagnetism in the 19th century until this very day. But if you want to ignore that, be my guest. --- Quote ---If there were experimental data supporting the energy part of the slogan "Wires transfer charge. Space transfers energy." we would have known about them and they would be in books. ::) --- End quote --- They are. I even showed you where this is in the very first book on the matter. You probably haven't read many books on the subject. --- End quote --- What book? What experiment? What was predicted by "energy flows through wires" and not found in experiments? Why can't I find them in all modern books: Jackson, Griffiths, Haus Melcher and so on? |
| bsfeechannel:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 09, 2022, 06:46:08 pm ---Please pay more attention to the video. There is no transfer of energy between the rotating disks and laden jars (large capacitors) until voltage is high enough to have electrons travel the gap --- End quote --- Conversely, there is no wire between the collectors and the sectors. So your claim that wires carry the energy is false. |
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