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aetherist:

--- Quote from: TimFox on May 11, 2022, 12:50:10 am ---See my reply no. 362 above.

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--- Quote ---Interesting.
Anyhow, if Hertz intentionally or accidentally made a sinusoidal radio wave, then what reasoning was used by everyone to say that a radio wave is a photon(s).
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--- Quote from: TimFox on May 11, 2022, 12:50:10 am ---Radio waves, as first demonstrated by Hertz, are macroscopic phenomena.
Photons are microscopic.
The standard derivations of E and H in the "far field" (radiation region) have been demonstrated in RF engineering over and over, to the point that they are no longer discussed.  It works.
In passing from the microscopic quantum domain to the macroscopic classical domain (such as Maxwell), the macroscopic quantities are the "expectation values" (q.v.) of the quantum mechanical description.
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How kum a microscopic photon can be mistaken for a macroscopic em something.
hamster_nz:

--- Quote from: aetherist on May 11, 2022, 01:29:26 am ---
--- Quote from: TimFox on May 11, 2022, 12:50:10 am ---See my reply no. 362 above.

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--- Quote ---Interesting.
Anyhow, if Hertz intentionally or accidentally made a sinusoidal radio wave, then what reasoning was used by everyone to say that a radio wave is a photon(s).
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--- Quote from: TimFox on May 11, 2022, 12:50:10 am ---Radio waves, as first demonstrated by Hertz, are macroscopic phenomena.
Photons are microscopic.
The standard derivations of E and H in the "far field" (radiation region) have been demonstrated in RF engineering over and over, to the point that they are no longer discussed.  It works.
In passing from the microscopic quantum domain to the macroscopic classical domain (such as Maxwell), the macroscopic quantities are the "expectation values" (q.v.) of the quantum mechanical description.
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How kum a microscopic photon can be mistaken for a macroscopic em something.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_mechanics and so on...


--- Quote ---In physics, statistical mechanics is a mathematical framework that applies statistical methods and probability theory to large assemblies of microscopic entities. It does not assume or postulate any natural laws, but explains the macroscopic behavior of nature from the behavior of such ensembles.

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TimFox:
A whole bunch of them make a macroscopic wave.  Many a pickle makes a muckle.  In formal language, an ensemble.
aetherist:

--- Quote ---Interesting.
Anyhow, if Hertz intentionally or accidentally made a sinusoidal radio wave, then what reasoning was used by everyone to say that a radio wave is a photon(s).
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--- Quote from: TimFox on May 11, 2022, 12:50:10 am ---See my reply no. 362 above.
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--- Quote from: TimFox on May 11, 2022, 12:50:10 am ---Radio waves, as first demonstrated by Hertz, are macroscopic phenomena.
Photons are microscopic.
The standard derivations of E and H in the "far field" (radiation region) have been demonstrated in RF engineering over and over, to the point that they are no longer discussed.  It works.
In passing from the microscopic quantum domain to the macroscopic classical domain (such as Maxwell), the macroscopic quantities are the "expectation values" (q.v.) of the quantum mechanical description.
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--- Quote --- How kum a microscopic photon can be mistaken for a macroscopic em something.
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--- Quote from: TimFox on May 11, 2022, 02:03:04 am ---A whole bunch of them make a macroscopic wave.  Many a pickle makes a muckle.  In formal language, an ensemble.
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Yes a bunch of photons can be made to form a wave. Somehow that appears to be a quality of photons, they like to make formations, ie they are kind of sticky (eg lasers).
But i can't see any sensible physical scientific link tween formations of photons & the em field! What historic discovery has ever even hinted at such a link?

It is my photaenos that combine to form the em field. Photaenos are emitted by the main helical body of every photon.
A photaeno is the simplest fundamental unit of microscopic em radiation. Lots of photaenos combine to give the macroscopic em field.
Standard science is saying that lots of apples (photons) can make a bin of apples (photons), & that lots of bins of apples (photons) make an orange (an em field).

Apparently someone somewhere decided that a bin of photons becomes a bin of em radiation, & that many such bins automatically arrange themselves into formations, called waves, eg radio waves.
Whereas my photaeno idea simply says that lots of microscopic em radiations combine to make a macroscopic em field (shocking)(who could have guessed?).

How is it that bins of photons (oranges) can be lasers. And bins of photons (oranges) can be an em field.
TimFox:
Two words:  quantum mechanics.
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