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Veritasium "How Electricity Actually Works"
PlainName:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 18, 2022, 11:49:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 18, 2022, 11:37:25 pm ---
See, this is the problem. You just won't agree with a simple thing without going off on one about something else. Not even a simple fact that is indisputable - you just can't cope with saying, "Yes, OK, that is how it is".
Which of those facts are you disputing? The energy source, the energy sink, or the clear air? Presumably it's the air, but that's actually how it is! Are you going to say the video was photoshopped or something, and that your capacitor calculator (which you chose) is lying or something else?
So, is there or is there not a 1m air gap between the energy source and the energy consumer? Just a straight yes or no, please.
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The problem is yours as you fail to acknowledge the real question.
Does the energy travels outside the wires ? so trough that 1m air gap.
If you answer with yes then you need to show how electrons travel from one wire to the other trough that 1m gap.
If no electrons travel through that 1m air gap then no energy travels through that gap.
So it is not me that needs to prove anything it is you that need to prove that electrons travel outside the wire in Derek's experiment.
The experiment was properly done and the results are not disputed here. What it is disputed is the wrong conclusion Derek got from those results.
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Just one more time: is there or is there not an air gap between the energy source and the energy consumer?
That is the question I am asking. I am not asking the question you would prefer to think I should ask, I am asking this specific and very simple one. Are you afraid to answer it or what? Well, no matter, because this is why we don't get anywhere, and it is why I am done with you.
electrodacus:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 19, 2022, 12:47:36 am ---
Just one more time: is there or is there not an air gap between the energy source and the energy consumer?
That is the question I am asking. I am not asking the question you would prefer to think I should ask, I am asking this specific and very simple one. Are you afraid to answer it or what? Well, no matter, because this is why we don't get anywhere, and it is why I am done with you.
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Yes there is a an air gap.
Now you answer this simple question. Is there any electric current passing through this gap ?
If you say no then you also say no to there is no energy delivered through that gap and all energy travels in wire.
hamster_nz:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 19, 2022, 12:29:13 am ---
--- Quote from: hamster_nz on May 19, 2022, 12:18:03 am ---
Sure, a good wire has 1A flowing in it, and 0V measured across either end, so has 0W
Sure, let's integrate 0W for as long as we want.... it's 0 J.
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:) good wire ? You mean superconductor.
Yes you can have 1A induced in a superconductor ring and have that 1A flowing forever in there with no energy loss.
A good wire that is not a superconductor will have a resistance low enough that loss is not to high at 1A so that wire will not melt and it is acceptable in your application.
So a resistor is a wire and vice versa thus absolutely no difference between the two.
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And yet when you say a wire has 0V measured between its ends you insist that it has energy flowing inside it. You wouldn't say that of a resistor!
electrodacus:
--- Quote from: hamster_nz on May 19, 2022, 01:52:19 am ---
And yet when you say a wire has 0V measured between its ends you insist that it has energy flowing inside it. You wouldn't say that of a resistor!
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Yes energy can travel through a superconductor and there will be no losses. It is a resistor with zero resistance to current flow.
While superconductors seems to be a theoretical ideal case they exist.
hamster_nz:
--- Quote from: electrodacus on May 19, 2022, 01:55:21 am ---
--- Quote from: hamster_nz on May 19, 2022, 01:52:19 am ---
And yet when you say a wire has 0V measured between its ends you insist that it has energy flowing inside it. You wouldn't say that of a resistor!
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Yes energy can travel through a superconductor and there will be no losses. It is a resistor with zero resistance to current flow.
While superconductors seems to be a theoretical ideal case they exist.
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Why do you keep bringing up superconductors? :-//
What's wrong with copper?
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