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electrodacus:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 25, 2022, 08:33:45 am ---
You mean "then it should show". Unless you've actually done this then it is supposition, but you continue to pretend things like this are fact. That's one of the things that rubs people up the wrong way.

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I have not done this but I do not need to do something if I understand how it works. You can do accurate predictions about a system if you understand how it works.
You only need to shield one of the two sides of the circuit either left or right so in the Derek example just 10m of shielding from the corner (where the pipe is bent 90 degree) up to that 1.1k Resistor but you connect the shield on the other side of the resistor not on the same side you shielded.
Then there will still be a capacitance between the shield and the lower wire/pipe but the current to charge that capacitance will bypass the resistor as you connect the shield on the other side of the resistor.
So energy will start flowing through resistor but only after about 65ns needed for electron wave to reach the resistor through wire.

Will seeing that the above is true convince you that energy travels through wires ?
electrodacus:

--- Quote from: snarkysparky on May 25, 2022, 11:42:33 am ---So can energy both flow in and out of a capacitor at the same time ?

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No.
Energy flows in capacitor while it is being charged and stays there until you discharge the capacitor then energy flows out.
Even if you have a resistor in parallel with the capacitor energy can only flow in or out of capacitor not both at the same time.
 
PlainName:

--- Quote --- You can do accurate predictions about a system if you understand how it works.
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It's still 'should' and not 'will', particularly when it is a) an off-the-wall suggestion no-one has done before, and b) the whole point of this mega-thread is to determine how exactly what you're going on about works.

electrodacus:

--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 25, 2022, 03:50:15 pm ---
--- Quote --- You can do accurate predictions about a system if you understand how it works.
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It's still 'should' and not 'will', particularly when it is a) an off-the-wall suggestion no-one has done before, and b) the whole point of this mega-thread is to determine how exactly what you're going on about works.

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Not going to claim I'm a grammar expert :) because I'm not. Still I will have used will to show how sure I'm about my prediction.
b) I'm not saying anything controversial unlike Derek.  I never heard the claim that "energy doesn't travel through wires" before so he needed extraordinary evidence for such an extraordinary claim. He failed to do that with his only so called evidence the small current flow through load much earlier with not even a mention about line capacitance in first video and some mention in the second but ignored.

Seeing the question snarkysparky just posted I realized that I should have been more clear on what energy in and out means and that it was not in and out as the same time since that will just mean trough.
I meant in when charging and out when discharging and this things never happen at the exact same time.
 
snarkysparky:

How does IanB's middle capacitor get charged if no energy can flow through the outer capacitors.

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