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| PlainName:
--- Quote ---Not going to claim I'm a grammar expert :) because I'm not. Still I will have used will to show how sure I'm about my prediction. --- End quote --- The problem there is you are using a circular argument: my theory says X will do Y, and X doing Y proves my theory. Which is fine if you show that X does indeed do Y, but otherwise it should do Y. That's still a 100% confidence on your part, but you are accepting reality (that no-one's seen it yet, is it is supposition regardless of how entrenched the idea is). --- Quote ---b) I'm not saying anything controversial unlike Derek. I never heard the claim that "energy doesn't travel through wires" before so he needed extraordinary evidence for such an extraordinary claim. --- End quote --- It's not that controversial - Derek is only putting forward something that has been figured out for a while. But the difference here is that he did the actual experiment and the result was as he predicted. That's a lot better than just saying "it will" and then expecting it to be taken on trust but those that are doubting your theory in the first place. --- Quote ---He failed to do that with his only so called evidence the small current flow through load much earlier with not even a mention about line capacitance in first video and some mention in the second but ignored. --- End quote --- Well, that is what this thread is supposed to figuring out. Simply bashing your opponent with a circular argument before diverting to some irrelevant stuff isn't doing a great job of disproving what he thinks he's shown. |
| snarkysparky:
Just answer this. In the three capacitor setup where did the energy come from that charged the middle capacitor. There can be no doubt that disconnecting the circuit and taking the middle capacitor out it will have a charge. If you remove the two middle plates they will not have a charge. Because they were isolated. |
| electrodacus:
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 25, 2022, 06:04:17 pm ---The problem there is you are using a circular argument: my theory says X will do Y, and X doing Y proves my theory. Which is fine if you show that X does indeed do Y, but otherwise it should do Y. That's still a 100% confidence on your part, but you are accepting reality (that no-one's seen it yet, is it is supposition regardless of how entrenched the idea is). --- End quote --- It is not my theory (I did not come up with it). It is how things work. Many people (including me) seen this and use this to do shielding from electric fields. --- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 25, 2022, 06:04:17 pm ---It's not that controversial - Derek is only putting forward something that has been figured out for a while. But the difference here is that he did the actual experiment and the result was as he predicted. That's a lot better than just saying "it will" and then expecting it to be taken on trust but those that are doubting your theory in the first place. --- End quote --- Many people including me could have predicted the result. That result is not representing what he claimed "energy doesn't travel in wires" --- Quote from: dunkemhigh on May 25, 2022, 06:04:17 pm ---Well, that is what this thread is supposed to figuring out. Simply bashing your opponent with a circular argument before diverting to some irrelevant stuff isn't doing a great job of disproving what he thinks he's shown. --- End quote --- So you mean line capacitance is irrelevant ? Or the fact that a capacitor is an energy storage device. To be clear are you saying that shielding the way I mentioned will not eliminate the energy through lamp/resistor in the first 65ns in Derek's setup ? If this is demonstrated to you will you then admit that energy doesn't travel outside the wire? |
| electrodacus:
--- Quote from: snarkysparky on May 25, 2022, 06:30:28 pm ---Just answer this. In the three capacitor setup where did the energy come from that charged the middle capacitor. There can be no doubt that disconnecting the circuit and taking the middle capacitor out it will have a charge. If you remove the two middle plates they will not have a charge. Because they were isolated. --- End quote --- The two or three capacitors in series are just one capacitor. Yes in case c if you remove the middle plates they will not have a charge but that is not what you are doing when you remove the middle capacitor. You first isolate the charges by disconnecting the capacitor pins the remove the middle capacitor. d) -| |_| |_| |- So d) is the same as c) but you can disconnect one face of the plate from the other by disconnecting the wire connecting the two faces. Then those isolated middle faces will contain 33.33% of the energy that was put in those 3 capacitors in series. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote ---To be clear are you saying that shielding the way I mentioned will not eliminate the energy through lamp/resistor in the first 65ns in Derek's setup ? --- End quote --- To be Frank I have no idea since I've given up following your diversions so haven't really looked at it. Also it seems a pretty pointless thing to consider since you're unlikely to replicate Derek's experiment with whatever shielding, so it just comes back to what you say would occur rather than what actually does. |
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