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penfold:

--- Quote from: aetherist on April 05, 2022, 09:35:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: penfold on April 05, 2022, 12:06:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on April 04, 2022, 11:54:15 pm ---[...]But the reference to the effect of the gap on the speed of electrons must be a typing error. U must have meant electons. It is old (electron) electricity that can't explain (how insulation affects the old (electron) electricity speed)(or how a small gap might affect).
But in any case we can't say can't based merely on a gedanken, we would need real numbers/speeds.
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So all electronic devices designed, manufactured, and tested according to old-electrons that show no discrepancies to classical theory isn't enough to go by? It all works according to the classical theory, it's all explained in a cohesive set of equations that agree even with broader observations of the universe.
Electons don't exist in classical theory, so it would be surprising if I felt a need to reference them, but yeah, could easily be a typing error or a sign of mental deficiency, it's difficult to be sure. But we sure do need some real numbers and speeds, when can we expect some quantitative predictions regarding electricity and magnetism to test your theory?
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Electons were discovered/invented in Dec 2021 to better explain what we see re electricity, ie better than the drifting electrons nonsense.
If u can show me one instance where electon electricity duznt work, or works less well than drifting electrons electricity, then u win.
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Why are drifting electrons nonsense? What's the rationale behind that?
Electon electricity doesn't work anywhere, there's no way of relating it to reality or quantifying your statements... that's the clever and intelligent part of a theory for which people get rewarded... actually relating it to reality... you're yet to do the difficult work.

No. Back to the idea of proof, those devices provide evidence that substantiates classical EM theory, you have no evidence to substantiate electons. The devices will always have worked and form part of a mass proof of Maxwell, none of them expose any particular weakness.

SandyCox:

--- Quote from: aetherist on April 05, 2022, 09:35:37 pm ---
But i like your idea that we should abandon all electric devices designed before my new (electon) electricity was discovered in Dec 2021.……..

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Let's start with you abandoning your electronic devices and Internet connection.

thinkfat:
Fun fact: Maxwell doesn't disprove the "aether". In fact his original equations were developed based on the "Luminiferous aether" model that was the working theory about light propagation in his days. But no experimental proof came forward to substantiate this theory and experimental results could not be explained. Then Einstein came along and his Special Theory of Relativity explained all experimental results without needing to refer to the "aether" at all. The consensus was that the "aether" was not a useful concept to cling to.

aetherist:

--- Quote from: thinkfat on April 06, 2022, 08:25:04 am ---Fun fact: Maxwell doesn't disprove the "aether". In fact his original equations were developed based on the "Luminiferous aether" model that was the working theory about light propagation in his days. But no experimental proof came forward to substantiate this theory and experimental results could not be explained. Then Einstein came along and his Special Theory of Relativity explained all experimental results without needing to refer to the "aether" at all. The consensus was that the "aether" was not a useful concept to cling to.

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http://wiki.naturalphilosophy.org/index.php?title=G_O_Mueller
Mueller is a good place to start.

aetherist:

--- Quote from: penfold on April 06, 2022, 07:52:42 am ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on April 05, 2022, 09:35:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: penfold on April 05, 2022, 12:06:25 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on April 04, 2022, 11:54:15 pm ---[...]But the reference to the effect of the gap on the speed of electrons must be a typing error. U must have meant electons. It is old (electron) electricity that can't explain (how insulation affects the old (electron) electricity speed)(or how a small gap might affect).
But in any case we can't say can't based merely on a gedanken, we would need real numbers/speeds.
--- End quote ---
So all electronic devices designed, manufactured, and tested according to old-electrons that show no discrepancies to classical theory isn't enough to go by? It all works according to the classical theory, it's all explained in a cohesive set of equations that agree even with broader observations of the universe.
Electons don't exist in classical theory, so it would be surprising if I felt a need to reference them, but yeah, could easily be a typing error or a sign of mental deficiency, it's difficult to be sure. But we sure do need some real numbers and speeds, when can we expect some quantitative predictions regarding electricity and magnetism to test your theory?
--- End quote ---
Electons were discovered/invented in Dec 2021 to better explain what we see re electricity, ie better than the drifting electrons nonsense.
If u can show me one instance where electon electricity duznt work, or works less well than drifting electrons electricity, then u win.[...]
--- End quote ---
Why are drifting electrons nonsense? What's the rationale behind that?
Electon electricity doesn't work anywhere, there's no way of relating it to reality or quantifying your statements... that's the clever and intelligent part of a theory for which people get rewarded... actually relating it to reality... you're yet to do the difficult work.

No. Back to the idea of proof, those devices provide evidence that substantiates classical EM theory, you have no evidence to substantiate electons. The devices will always have worked and form part of a mass proof of Maxwell, none of them expose any particular weakness.
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We have geniuses that light the way.
We have thems that can understand & appreciate genius.
We have thems that dont understand.
We have thems that cant understand but are sure that the geniuses are wrong.

Einstein aint one of the geniuses.
My elektons are brilliant. I might have to learn some Swedish.

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