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aetherist:

--- Quote ---The Veritasium youtube etc tells us that drifting electrons drifting at (Veritasium says) 0.3 mm/s in the lab frame have the same spacings (center to center) as the Cu nuclei (ie protons)(which are stationary in the lab frame).
Veritasium & Co have to invoke that postulate, koz they know that a stationary charge is not attracted or repelled by a wire carrying an electric current.
But, if, when there is zero electric current, the electron to electron spacing is the same as the proton to proton spacing, then, when the current is turned on, & electrons drift, surely STR demands that in the lab frame the electron to electron spacing will be contracted.
In which case the wire will have a negative charge in the lab frame.

STRIKE-1.   So, the STR explanation of the magnetomotive force fails at the first pitch, which was an easy meatball.
However, i will keep going, koz this Einsteinian farce has an astonishing number of fudges pushes & stupid postulates.
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Here (below in italics)(& in the linked pdf)(& in the three jpg attached below) is what Purcell says in his own version of the pathetic Einsteinian attempt to wave away this STR catastrophe (that i call STRIKE-1).
https://cdn.bc-pf.org/resources/physics/Theory/Purcell-electricity_and_magnetism_3rd_edition.pdf
I say that we all agree that there is zero force on a stationary test charge in the lab frame when there is no electric current in the stationary wire.

I say that Einsteinists (eg Purcell) need to explain why the force remains zero, when the current is switched on. 

I say that (when the current is switched on) STR demands that the electron to electron spacings of the conduction electrons must (suddenly) contract, due to their (sudden) drift velocity, in which case the wire must (suddenly) have a nett negative charge, in which case the (say positive)(stationary) test charge must be (suddenly) attracted. 
But, Einsteinists wave away this obvious catastrophe by working backwards. (1) They admit that we all know that there is zero force (after the current is switched on), & (2) then they say that this zero force can only be zero if the electron to electron spacings of the (now) drifting electrons are the same as the (stationary) proton to proton spacings, & (3) then they explain that – well, actually, they don’t explain, they don’t explain how it is that the electron to electron spacings stay the same, ie before & after the current is switched on. What a disaster.


In the lab frame of Fig. 5.22(a), with spatial coordinates x, y, z, there is a line of positive charges, at rest and extending to infinity in both directions. We shall call them ions for short. Indeed, they might represent the copper ions that constitute the solid substance of a copper wire. There is also a line of negative charges that we shall call electrons. These are all moving to the right with speed v0. In a real wire the electrons would be intermingled with the ions; we’ve separated them in the diagram for clarity. The linear density of positive charge is λ0.
It happens that the linear density of negative charge along the line of electrons is exactly equal in magnitude.
That is, any given length of “wire” contains at a given instant the same number of electrons and protons.[/u] 
[9] [9 It doesn’t have to, but that equality can always be established, if we choose, by adjusting the number of electrons per unit length. In our idealized setup, we assume this has been done.]
The net charge on the wire is zero. Gauss’s law tells us there can be no flux from a cylinder that contains no charge, so the electric field must be zero everywhere outside the wire. A test charge q at rest near this wire experiences no force whatsoever.
EEVblog:

--- Quote from: aetherist on March 26, 2022, 11:52:55 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 26, 2022, 11:46:22 am ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 26, 2022, 11:17:27 am ---But firstly i think that i would need to bounce my half baked amateur ideas off professionals, eg on this forum.
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I think a physics forum is a better bet.
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None of the main physics forums allow any badmouthing of anything Einsteinian. I have been banned from at least 3 ovem.

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So should we just move this thread over to the dodgy technology section now?
FYI for all those involved, there is no rule against posting wacky physics or free energy stuff etc here. So you are free to post your stuff here, just don't expect anyone to engage with it.
aetherist:

--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 26, 2022, 10:42:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 26, 2022, 11:52:55 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 26, 2022, 11:46:22 am ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 26, 2022, 11:17:27 am ---But firstly i think that i would need to bounce my half baked amateur ideas off professionals, eg on this forum.
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I think a physics forum is a better bet.
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None of the main physics forums allow any badmouthing of anything Einsteinian. I have been banned from at least 3 ovem.
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So should we just move this thread over to the dodgy technology section now?
FYI for all those involved, there is no rule against posting wacky physics or free energy stuff etc here. So you are free to post your stuff here, just don't expect anyone to engage with it.
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General Technical Chat or Dodgy Technology. I dont know which might get more engagement.
I think that i have at least 3 more postings that i should make re the shortcomings of the (fake) STR cause of mmf.
aetherist:

--- Quote from: SandyCox on March 26, 2022, 02:49:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 26, 2022, 01:19:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: thinkfat on March 26, 2022, 12:26:10 pm ---So, your arguments didn't convince the physicists. Do you think EEs are an easier prey?
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I have enjoyed finding the truth about things. It has been a slow process. I wish that i had had someone to steer me. I want to do some steering, & raise awareness. On this forum it will of course be mostly about electricity. I think that a lot of people understand & agree with what i say, but i am not surprised that no-one has said so. EEs have been preyed upon, i want to set them free.
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I do not agree with a single thing you said. The elekton theory is absolute nonsense.
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My new (elekton) elekticity isn’t especially helpful in this present thread, ie it duznt tell us the cause of the magnetic field around a wire, or the causes of the magnetomotive forces.
This present thread merely explains that the STR explanation of the magnetomotive force on a moving charged particle is impossible.
And i explain how the magnetomotive force on a moving charged particle in fact falsifies STR length contraction, it is not the touted shining example of an STR success.
But i don’t attempt to invent my own theory for the magnetic field & the magnetomotive force near a wire. However, the true cause will not be due to drifting electrons, nor to STR.
aetherist:

--- Quote from: bsfeechannel on March 26, 2022, 01:32:51 am ---
--- Quote from: EEVblog on March 26, 2022, 12:46:43 am ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on March 25, 2022, 01:16:09 am ---I had a look at the youtube by (Derek) Veritasium (link below). And 2 youtubes by (Nick) The Science Asylum (i will show links later).
All of these Einsteinian STR explanations for the relativistic cause of magnetism near a wire carrying an electric current are krapp. I will show links & i will point out errors later.
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Genuine question, why don't you make response video?
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Oh, well. Now it's official. The EEVBlog has become a haven for crankery. Pseudo-scientific claims are now "genuine questions". At least this gives us a purpose in life: debunk them.
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I welcome debunking of my debunking of the STR cause of magnetomotive force (on this thread). And debunking of my elekton elekticity (on the other Veritasium thread).
One strike & i am out.
But up to now i have hit every pitch out of the park.
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