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raptor1956:
How in hell did this thread reach 9 pages when it could have been summed up as:

Dunning Frickin Kruger!

Honestly, there are a subset of people on YT and elsewhere that fancy themselves as smarter than the smartest people that ever lived yet somehow manage to come across as a simpleton at the extreme edge of the Dunning-Kruger curve.  Take a guy that calls himself Theoria Apophasis, or the Angry Photographer, he posts insane nonsense in a form not unlike our aetherist.  Basically, invent an idea then cloke in in word salad -- repeat!


Brian
aetherist:

--- Quote from: raptor1956 on April 18, 2022, 10:57:25 am ---How in hell did this thread reach 9 pages when it could have been summed up as:
Dunning Frickin Kruger!
Honestly, there are a subset of people on YT and elsewhere that fancy themselves as smarter than the smartest people that ever lived yet somehow manage to come across as a simpleton at the extreme edge of the Dunning-Kruger curve.  Take a guy that calls himself Theoria Apophasis, or the Angry Photographer, he posts insane nonsense in a form not unlike our aetherist.  Basically, invent an idea then cloke in in word salad -- repeat! Brian
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I don’t class myself as smart or others as stupid. Praps myself as knowing & others as ignorant, re some things.
Praps the Dunning Kruger applies to u. I wonder whether, if later u change your mind & start to agree with my ideas, would u be happy, ie happy to learn, ie happy to be less ignorant, or would u be angry, ie angry with me, for replacing falseness with truth. Here i am not trying to be nasty, i pose that as a genuine question. It applies to me too, & everyone out there. This question applies to life. The answer ideally would be that u would thank me, & that u would be very happy to learn, & to be less ignorant (once again i don’t mean that in a nasty way).

This thread is not about inventing an idea & cloaking it in word salad. I have tried to explain that an existing old idea is wrong (ie the silly STR cause of mmf).
I have not invented anything in this thread to replace that old wrong idea. mmf around a current carrying wire is a mystery to me.
But for sure it duznt have anything to do with any kind of relativity, not with STR, not with neoLorentz relativity, not with my own version of neoLorentz relativity.

As a part of explaining that the STR cause of mmf is wrong i have also tried to briefly explain that STR is wrong. This kind of argument is ok. If i show that STR is wrong then of course i at the same time show that the STR cause of mmf is wrong. But i don’t want to enter into a big argument about STR itself (that would need its own thread). But, anyhow, i don’t have to. In this here thread i try to show that STR has not been properly applied to the cause of mmf. I don’t have to show that STR itself is a silly idea. I repeat, i simply show that STR has not been properly applied. That’s all i had to do. And i did it.

As a part of explaining that STR is wrong, i have also tried to briefly explain how relativity actually works, ie proper relativity, ie aetheric relativity. This kind of argument is ok. But, once again, i don’t want to enter into a big argument about aether (that would need its own thread), or about relativity (that would need its own thread).

If u read Dunning Kruger u will see that they also mention a subset of people that fancy themselves to be less smart than they actually are. I suspect that i am in that subset.
PlainName:

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You did? I must've missed that - perhaps you can repeat it (this time not ignoring any corrections the kindly Tim Fox has pointed out).


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You do realise that in repeating that kind of thing you are essentially saying to everyone else here "you are silly and stupid", which is not really a good way to get people on-side before you even start trying to explain stuff. There is no need to be a troll other than to wind people up - is that what you're here for?
hamster_nz:

--- Quote from: raptor1956 on April 18, 2022, 10:57:25 am ---How in hell did this thread reach 9 pages when it could have been summed up as:

Dunning Frickin Kruger!

Honestly, there are a subset of people on YT and elsewhere that fancy themselves as smarter than the smartest people that ever lived yet somehow manage to come across as a simpleton at the extreme edge of the Dunning-Kruger curve.  Take a guy that calls himself Theoria Apophasis, or the Angry Photographer, he posts insane nonsense in a form not unlike our aetherist.  Basically, invent an idea then cloke in in word salad -- repeat!


Brian

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I too initially shared your frustration, but it seems to quickly morphs into an exercise in critical thinking. My current bit of critical thinking is wondering if Aetherist is some sort of AI-powered bot sent to troll us.

Given the word salad of some of their posts, but also appears to be very well read and able to put some research in context, and the endless patience in face of overwhelming inconsistencies in their position.

If I had to call odds on a bet that they are a bot, I'm currently at 10:1 (ie most likely not a bot, but still a better than outside chance...).
raptor1956:

--- Quote from: hamster_nz on April 18, 2022, 10:14:44 pm ---
--- Quote from: raptor1956 on April 18, 2022, 10:57:25 am ---How in hell did this thread reach 9 pages when it could have been summed up as:

Dunning Frickin Kruger!

Honestly, there are a subset of people on YT and elsewhere that fancy themselves as smarter than the smartest people that ever lived yet somehow manage to come across as a simpleton at the extreme edge of the Dunning-Kruger curve.  Take a guy that calls himself Theoria Apophasis, or the Angry Photographer, he posts insane nonsense in a form not unlike our aetherist.  Basically, invent an idea then cloke in in word salad -- repeat!


Brian

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I too initially shared your frustration, but it seems to quickly morphs into an exercise in critical thinking. My current bit of critical thinking is wondering if Aetherist is some sort of AI-powered bot sent to troll us.

Given the word salad of some of their posts, but also appears to be very well read and able to put some research in context, and the endless patience in face of overwhelming inconsistencies in their position.

If I had to call odds on a bet that they are a bot, I'm currently at 10:1 (ie most likely not a bot, but still a better than outside chance...).

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Actually, it may be the case that he's a troll sent here to further the agenda of making as many in the west doubt all authority.  Whether it's flat earth, or any number of conspiracy theories that purport to show the evil inside the darkened room that is our institutions and government, the deep state.  Many of these 'channels' appear to be the work of an individual, but often the video's they produce are packed with content that anyone who's created content will tell you is unlikely to be the work of a loan individual.  Just canvasing the internet for snippets of content to piece together is a lot of work before you get into animations and slick graphics them some seem able to produce with amazing frequency.  So, is aetherist a troll sent from Russia to undermine our way of life -- I have no idea, but it does fit the pattern.

As surprising as it may seem, attacking all manor of authority is useful to a nation state in their effort to destroy an 'enemy' from within and by enlisting their enemies own people to help them.  Flat earth and other nonsense has the effect of making more and more people doubt science and by extension, all other institutions.

I don't know what aetherist is all about, he may be just a nut case and classic example of Dunning-Kruger or he may be a troll sent to divide -- that someone who struggles with the English language while portraying himself as an Aussie yet manages to sprinkle enough semi-plausible word salad suggests the later.   


Brian
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