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TimFox:
Are your citations from William Beaty peer reviewed?  You objected that Einstein's papers were not.

aetherist:

--- Quote from: TimFox on April 03, 2022, 11:23:27 pm ---Are your citations from William Beaty peer reviewed?  You objected that Einstein's papers were not.

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I think that Beaty's leapfrogging em radiation( leapfrogging out of the wire & into the insulation & back into the wire)(at the speed of light in the insulation) would not satisfy many, it duznt satisfy me. But i am happy to quote any attempts, good or bad, there being no good attempts, which is why i am here.

I have never objected that Einstein's papers were not peer reviewed, my objection was that papers that i was quoting were objected to by many here koz the papers were not peer reviewed, whilst that same many were claiming that the sun shone out of Einstein's bum, even tho his papers were not peer reviewed.

aetherist:

--- Quote from: penfold on April 03, 2022, 11:22:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on April 03, 2022, 11:10:28 pm ---[...]If the electrons merely respond (which i agree with) then ok this avoids the "insulation catastrophe". But, it then contradicts any old electricity theory that claims that drifting electrons cause the electricity.
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Err... you still haven't defined "the electricity"... that is an incredibly important definition to get right. Conventionally, the arrival of power emitted from point A arriving at point B, does not depend on a continuous movement of electrons along the length of the wire... it can happen, but it's not essential. Current is just one of the fields within Maxwell that so happens to only occur in the presence of charges. Poynting's theorem explains this phenomenon (reasonably) exactly, the exactness depends on how much of the physical circuit is included in the mathematical model.
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Yes. The Veritasium gedanken & the AlphaPhoenix-X show that the main current (whatever it is) takes the usual time to go around along a circuit, but that there can be a very early induced small current in the parallel wire (induced by the em radiation from the main current). And we see the same induction effect at a capacitor, albeit a strong current (strong due to the small gap)(& strong due to the large area of metal)(& strong due to the magnification of the dielectric in the gap).

My new (elekton) elekticity involves the main current being due to elektons hugging the wire. And, at a capacitor it involves the induction of charge on the positive plate. And on a parallel wire it involves the induction of (repulsion of) surface electrons. And, inside the wire, it involves the movement (drift) of conduction electrons.

There is a lot of similarity tween my new (elekton) elekticity & the old (electron) electricity. In both, the Poynting Field describes things but does nothing.

SandyCox:

--- Quote from: aetherist on April 03, 2022, 11:57:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: penfold on April 03, 2022, 11:22:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: aetherist on April 03, 2022, 11:10:28 pm ---[...]If the electrons merely respond (which i agree with) then ok this avoids the "insulation catastrophe". But, it then contradicts any old electricity theory that claims that drifting electrons cause the electricity.
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Err... you still haven't defined "the electricity"... that is an incredibly important definition to get right. Conventionally, the arrival of power emitted from point A arriving at point B, does not depend on a continuous movement of electrons along the length of the wire... it can happen, but it's not essential. Current is just one of the fields within Maxwell that so happens to only occur in the presence of charges. Poynting's theorem explains this phenomenon (reasonably) exactly, the exactness depends on how much of the physical circuit is included in the mathematical model.
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Yes. The Veritasium gedanken & the AlphaPhoenix-X show that the main current (whatever it is) takes the usual time to go around along a circuit, but that there can be a very early induced small current in the parallel wire (induced by the em radiation from the main current). And we see the same induction effect at a capacitor, albeit a strong current (strong due to the small gap)(& strong due to the large area of metal)(& strong due to the magnification of the dielectric in the gap).

My new (electon) electricity involves the main current being due to electons hugging the wire. And, at a capacitor it involves the induction of charge on the positive plate. And on a parallel wire it involves the induction of (repulsion of) surface electrons. And, inside the wire, it involves the movement (drift) of conduction electrons.

There is a lot of similarity tween my new (electon) electricity & the old (electron) electricity. In both, the Poynting Field describes things but does nothing.

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The initial current isn't necessarily very small. If the resistance of the bulb is equal to twice the characteristic impedance of the transmission line (perfect series matching), then the initial current is equal to half the steady-state current. My attached note explains this.

SandyCox:

--- Quote from: aetherist on April 03, 2022, 08:56:01 pm ---
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on April 03, 2022, 10:52:33 am ---
--- Quote ---Old (electron) electricity can't explain how insulation lowers the speed of electricity on a wire
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How do you know?
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I know throo my own searches over a few months that there has not been any satisfactory or reasonable explanation.
I know throo my own reasoning that there can be no satisfactory or reasonable explanation.

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It can. Look at this paper: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/9586871

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