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Video editing on a budget.

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Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: davelectronic on February 16, 2020, 03:03:41 pm ---Recently my 14 year old Son has shown an interest in video editing. Mainly clips of Marvel and super hero stuff etc up until now he's used his tablet and mobile phone to do this. I've ask him if he would like a pc that is capable of doing this. I'm just a general web surfer, social media etc. I have no experience in video editing or gaming (my Sons other interest) So I'm tasked with putting together a desktop pc to do these to things.

As my Son does flit about with hobbies and interst, i didn't want to throw a fortune on hardware. From what I've read, its the cpu and ram that does the lions share of the editing rendering etc. So i was looking at used hardware for this desktop PC, with the intention of upgrading if he sticks with it. I'm not sure about what socket to build it round , but intel 1155 H2 and AM3+ systems is what I've been looking at. I would prefer to purchase a bundle, but not sure on which processor to go for. Anyone with experience in video editing could suggest a socket and processor to start this build off would be a great help. I know a fare amount of ram is needed, and a reasonable graphics card also. What I'm unsure about is how high a specifications the hardware needs to be. For example I've been looking at AMD FX and earlier i7 generations.
Any advice and help greatly appreciated, and thanks for reading.

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It's a good thing when you say you want to purchase a bundle, as opposed to a pre-built system which is likely to have upgrade restrictions and problems. What I am wondering is if the 14 yo has expressed any desire to maintain the computer hardware. A kid that age should be starting to understand what hardware powers the software packages and not just simply using the software packages.

I would give the kid a ball park budget and let him figure out what parts he wants, bang for buck. While he is waiting for a video to render on the phone, there are -lots- of websites and videos scrutinizing the various CPU and GPU combos. See if you can get your kid excited about building something.

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on February 16, 2020, 10:26:29 pm ---My experience with AMD CPUs and GPUs are that they are less stable/reliable. Of course I'm generalising here and my opinion is based on many years of largely anecdotal evidence over a wide range of models and I know it will cause a stir among the AMD community, but heat-related and general instability is not unknown in the AMD world.

In over 20 years in the IT industry and having built or worked on thousands of computers, I don't think I've ever had a single Intel processor fail on me, where as I can probably think of about 5-10 instances where an AMD processor has. I've also had my fair share of failed AMD GPU's.

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There always seem to be plenty of people with similar opinions for brand X or against brand Y. Without much to go on those seem to be just opinions. That being said, Intel has had series which degraded to the point of impacting functionality or malfunction. They don't exactly have a spotless record and that's by their own admission. Hardware is going to break and fail whichever brand it is and luckily the major brands are so reliable that little hard evidence to show a difference either way is around and what's left are just opinions flapping about.

Ed.Kloonk:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on February 16, 2020, 10:26:29 pm ---
--- Quote from: hans on February 16, 2020, 10:09:16 pm ---The AMD chips don't have internal GPUs with this functionality, and their CPU performance in that day and age wasn't that impressive that I can't necessarily recommended them. Unless you can get them like real cheap, maybe.

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My experience with AMD CPUs and GPUs are that they are less stable/reliable. Of course I'm generalising here and my opinion is based on many years of largely anecdotal evidence over a wide range of models and I know it will cause a stir among the AMD community, but heat-related and general instability is not unknown in the AMD world.

In over 20 years in the IT industry and having built or worked on thousands of computers, I don't think I've ever had a single Intel processor fail on me, where as I can probably think of about 5-10 instances where an AMD processor has. I've also had my fair share of failed AMD GPU's.

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I've had two, I think. One was that K6-2. Supposed to be compatible, but there was something about the Dos version of Norton Ghost that it didn't like. Only bought the computer because it was cheaper as a 2nd computer and only intended for offline tasks. That was the last time. 21 years ago. It's not like I hold a grudge or anything.



Halcyon:

--- Quote from: Mr. Scram on February 16, 2020, 10:53:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: Halcyon on February 16, 2020, 10:26:29 pm ---My experience with AMD CPUs and GPUs are that they are less stable/reliable. Of course I'm generalising here and my opinion is based on many years of largely anecdotal evidence over a wide range of models and I know it will cause a stir among the AMD community, but heat-related and general instability is not unknown in the AMD world.

In over 20 years in the IT industry and having built or worked on thousands of computers, I don't think I've ever had a single Intel processor fail on me, where as I can probably think of about 5-10 instances where an AMD processor has. I've also had my fair share of failed AMD GPU's.

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There always seem to be plenty of people with similar opinions for brand X or against brand Y. Without much to go on those seem to be just opinions.

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Sure, and ordinarily I would absolutely agree with you. I too am skeptical of anyone offering anecdotal evidence, but I think the opinion of an experienced person in the industry does carry some weight, as opposed to someone who might have built 10 computers in their life and just happen to like a particular brand "just because".

I fully admit that when I build a machine, it's absolutely going to be Intel based, but not only due to the past reliability issues involving AMD, but general compatibility with Linux and FreeBSD is also a big one for me. There is no compelling reason for me to switch to AMD. Have I recommended AMD machines to others in the past? Absolutely, but that largely comes down to their budget.

Mr. Scram:

--- Quote from: Halcyon on February 16, 2020, 11:22:59 pm ---Sure, and ordinarily I would absolutely agree with you. I too am skeptical of anyone offering anecdotal evidence, but I think the opinion of an experienced person in the industry does carry some weight, as opposed to someone who might have built 10 computers in their life and just happen to like a particular brand "just because".

I fully admit that when I build a machine, it's absolutely going to be Intel based, but not only due to the past reliability issues involving AMD, but general compatibility with Linux and FreeBSD is also a big one for me. There is no compelling reason for me to switch to AMD. Have I recommended AMD machines to others in the past? Absolutely, but that largely comes down to their budget.

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You're very careful to correctly label your reports as anecdotal, only to then try and upsell it as something more. The reliability argument can be twisted in any way even with proper sources included. I could point at the woeful situation of Intel's hardware security and seemingly endless parade of vulnerabilities in their speculative threading or ME. I could point at Intel's chips that degrade over time or their SATA controllers that were outright broken. All of that's true and verifiable and not based on some handwavy self reporting. There's little doubt something similar could be done for AMD so it's best to stick to more factual and immediate matters. Even if we assume your report is on the nose the practical implication of a few defects in "over 20 years in the IT industry" is that it's so unlikely to happen as not to matter at all. What does matter is possibly limiting someone's options based on some anecdotal feelings which may either impact the budget or the performance of the hardware purchased. This kid needs decent hardware, not stories.

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