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Smokey:

--- Quote from: Brumby on May 10, 2019, 12:50:10 pm ---So - we should back off from drug addicts and drug dealers, then?
This sort of argument is never going to have consensus, because a line has to be drawn somewhere - and there will always be one problem ... getting everyone to agree where that line gets drawn.

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I didn't say everything should be legal.  But I did say that everything shoulnd't be illegal.
wraper:

--- Quote from: Smokey on May 10, 2019, 10:38:22 am ---Note:
This is actually relevant here because we all have an interest in the tech world and this is an example of a stupid legislative reaction to a problem of scary new technology that's really a result of bad parenting, which is not going away any time soon and a slippery slope further down the road to anything "new" "digital" and "technology" being considered "bad for the children". 
For example, how about making all Youtube videos illegal since you don't know what ads you are going to see and kids might click them and buy something?

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As this is electronics forum, imagine this. You purchase an oscilloscope. Start measuring signals, then it shows you a message: either you run 1000 loops around me before I do particular job properly, or pay 5 bucks and it might fix the problem. In small letters: there is 1 in 500 chance that you will win necessary option to do the job properly. Otherwise you get something useless. As in beginning it does not pop up that often, people just deal with it. Other oscilloscope manufacturers see it actually works and is an easiest way how to extort money out of customers, and all start doing same shit. As time goes by and people get used to it, it becomes worse and worse. So new oscilloscopes are pain to use without in oscilloscope gambling. In the end you cannot buy an oscilloscope which is comfortable to use out of the box.
wraper:

--- Quote from: Smokey on May 10, 2019, 12:41:43 pm ---I'm not sure why saying parents are negligent if they don't take any responsibility for what their kids are doing is controversial.  People make the decision to have kids WAY to casually.  If you aren't willing to put in the work to take care of your kids, then don't have kids.  You can't just push that responsibility off to "the system".

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:palm: You can say it the other way around just as well. You can't just push that responsibility off to the parents.
Say it becomes that buying meth is as easy as purchasing cola (as it is with loot boxes). Good luck parents individually educating their kids. Not to say most parents don't even know about their existence to begin with.
Smokey:

--- Quote from: wraper on May 10, 2019, 12:55:19 pm ---
--- Quote from: Smokey on May 10, 2019, 10:38:22 am ---Note:
This is actually relevant here because we all have an interest in the tech world and this is an example of a stupid legislative reaction to a problem of scary new technology that's really a result of bad parenting, which is not going away any time soon and a slippery slope further down the road to anything "new" "digital" and "technology" being considered "bad for the children". 
For example, how about making all Youtube videos illegal since you don't know what ads you are going to see and kids might click them and buy something?

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As this is electronics forum, imagine this. You purchase an oscilloscope. Start measuring signals, then it shows you a message: either you run 1000 loops around me before I do particular job properly, or pay 5 bucks and it might fix the problem. In small letters: there is 1 in 500 chance that you will win necessary option to do the job properly. Otherwise you get something useless Other oscilloscope manufacturers see it actually works and good way how to extort money out of customers, and all start doing same shit. In the end you cannot buy oscilloscope which is comfortable to use out of the box.

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Good example.  Here is my answer:
If that requirement was in the spec for the scope before I bought it, then it's my fault for still buying that scope.  Again, personal responsibility. I can then chose to pay the $5, or not use the scope any more.  Now, if they do a firmware update which, after the sale, instates such silliness then that's a legal violation and completely different issue.
If other scope manufactures all start doing that sillyness and building scopes with such as noted in the spec at time of purchase, then that opens the market to another company that isn't being stupid.  No one forces you to buy that OWon scope.

If I have a requirement to measure pico-second jitter on some signal, and I still buy a cheap OWon scope now, it won't work and that's my fault.  I can't then try to get OWon scopes made illegal because I didn't read the spec or understand it or don't agree with it.
Smokey:

--- Quote from: wraper on May 10, 2019, 01:02:43 pm ---
--- Quote from: Smokey on May 10, 2019, 12:41:43 pm ---I'm not sure why saying parents are negligent if they don't take any responsibility for what their kids are doing is controversial.  People make the decision to have kids WAY to casually.  If you aren't willing to put in the work to take care of your kids, then don't have kids.  You can't just push that responsibility off to "the system".

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:palm: You can say it the other way around just as well. You can't just push that responsibility off to the parents.
Say it becomes that buying meth is as easy as purchasing cola (as it is with loot boxes). Good luck parents individually educating their kids. Not to say most parents don't even know about their existence to begin with.

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...I'm going to leave that to stand on it's own. 
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