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Offline helius

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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2022, 03:37:03 am »
Phonograms aren't especially bulky nor easily damaged. Where does this idea that consumer products must be "X-treme sportz Heavy Duty 100MPH" come from?
78 rpm shellac discs are easily damaged, but vinyl records did away with that.
 

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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2022, 03:38:14 am »
Phonograms aren't especially bulky nor easily damaged. Where does this idea that consumer products must be "X-treme sportz Heavy Duty 100MPH" come from?
78 rpm shellac discs are easily damaged, but vinyl records did away with that.

Exactamondo. Look at all those bashed up 40 year old record sets that DJs have lugged around for decades.
 

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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2022, 08:04:09 am »
My biggest issue with "new" vinyl is the differences in mastering. Mastering for vinyl is vastly different than mastering for a lossless format, and a lot of the more "mainstream" vinyl on the market doesn't seem to have the same attention paid to adjusting to the limitations in the format. I suppose a lot of that could also be attributed to the "loudness wars".

Anyway, I love my old vinyl, and my newer lossless formats. They're different because they were mastered and mixed differently. Not just because of the physical reproduction mechanism.
 

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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2022, 11:47:23 am »
They are still a thing all over the world, whether you are an audiophile, audiophool, hipster, or just plain nostalgic. Even Compact Cassettes have made something of a comeback, though you can't buy a decent player new these days, unlike with vinyl.

All those cliched categories 😂🤣

How about being a simple human knowing that audio exists on vinyl, ergo one feels like buying it and does. You don’t have to be pigeonholed to be a human, nor to buy a product.

All this <cringe> “retro” piffle  - some folk simply own a record player or two, like a singer and are used to using records and never moved past them (I know a couple) - it’s a simple logical purchase, the same as buying a bar of soap or cornflakes.

Who cares what “made a comeback”. If shops stop selling a brand of chocolate and they suddenly decide to restock again, it’s like … ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

The list of "cliches" as you put it was not exhaustive. I'll refrain from naming which one I fit into, or from guessing yours, since it would likely be considered flame-baiting.

FYI I have a modest vinyl collection, a considerable compact cassette collection, a half decent linear turntable, and several cassette decks, one with Dolby S, the sound quality of which is quite remarkable, given the inherent limitations of the medium.
I also have several good CD players, a couple of very good Mini-Disc players, though I dodged the whole dedicated mp3 player thing, not getting into virtual music until I got my first smartphone.
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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2022, 03:56:27 pm »
Phonograms aren't especially bulky nor easily damaged. Where does this idea that consumer products must be "X-treme sportz Heavy Duty 100MPH" come from?
78 rpm shellac discs are easily damaged, but vinyl records did away with that.

Big difference between dropping a cassette or Mini-Disc out of its case and dropping an LP out of its cover.  Can't scratch a cassette or Mini-Disc.  Don't ask a child to lift the playing arm off an LP.  LP's warp if you don't store them properly.
 
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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2022, 07:27:33 pm »
I have no interest in vinyl records myself these days, but I know there's still a largish market for them, and again what's the problem? If that pleases some people? That's exactly what music is all about, pleasing people. And I can understand that the medium can play a role in the whole experience.

If you take "pleasure" out of the equation, then you can eradicate music as well, it's not "useful", right? And maybe we can go further and say that all this *has* to go anyway, because it's consuming resources while not being strictly useful. Yeah, we'll save the planet.

Just a thought. Not everything we do in life has a strict utility factor. Life would be pretty dull otherwise, and the idea of *enforcing* utility everywhere is a totalitarian idea.
 

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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2022, 12:02:29 pm »
On the subject of stylus playback media, older members may have forgotten this existed and younger members may have never ever heard of it, but for a very brief time in the early 1980's, it was possible to buy video on vinyl with the Capacitance Electronic Disc format, or CED. No lasers involved, instead a high density micro groove etched into a conductive PVC disc was read by a capacitive stylus. This meant it was possible to compress a movie onto a LP sized disc. Never heard of it? Sadly the RCA branded SelectaVision system was already obsolete by the time it hit the shelves, superseded by LaserDisc, Betamax and the fledgling Video Home System(VHS). The format ended up burning RCA, Toshiba, Hitachi and Sony a lot of money.

Still an interesting format though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance_Electronic_Disc

Some technical Information for hardware hacks: http://www.cedmagic.com/home/technical-information-page.html

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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2022, 02:13:58 pm »
There's absolutely no reason to buy vinyl made with digital masters, as almost all of it is now.
 

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Re: Vinyl record mass production in "current" modern days ...
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2022, 05:42:55 pm »
I have no interest in vinyl records myself these days, but I know there's still a largish market for them, and again what's the problem? If that pleases some people? That's exactly what music is all about, pleasing people. And I can understand that the medium can play a role in the whole experience.

If you take "pleasure" out of the equation, then you can eradicate music as well, it's not "useful", right? And maybe we can go further and say that all this *has* to go anyway, because it's consuming resources while not being strictly useful. Yeah, we'll save the planet.

Just a thought. Not everything we do in life has a strict utility factor. Life would be pretty dull otherwise, and the idea of *enforcing* utility everywhere is a totalitarian idea.

I agree.  I'm not against vinyl either.  Owning a digital version doesn't really feel like owning anything.  But owning an LP...You often get great cover art and the lyrics, and it's kinda big...so you feel like you actually own something special.  I have no problem with that.  It is niche, though.  The audio really comes down to the vibrations in the air.  That's why more people are going to choose digital...it's more practical.  Handmade furniture has more meaning than store bought stuff, but not many people are going to make or hire someone to make their furniture.  I'm old enough but don't own any vinyl.  My older sisters have plenty of vinyl, and I've asked them...They never take the LP's out to play, because they find digital stuff easier.
 


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