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Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« on: November 06, 2018, 08:01:15 pm »
So I found these articles by some guy that apparently was quite popular years ago in the electronics world: Don Lancaster.

However I have found most of his columns in magazines to be content-free, typo-filled, hyperbolic, self-aggrandizing prattle. A self-appointed "guru"? Really?  ::)

Everything was either utterly simple or completely change the world forever, yet I can't find anything he's actually done. A few publications for circuits in the 1970s and a book or two of basically republished data books and he's been coasting on that for decades?

And what's his obsession with PostScript?
 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2018, 08:05:50 pm »
His Active Filter Cookbook is very good.
 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2018, 08:10:00 pm »
So I found these articles by some guy that apparently was quite popular years ago in the electronics world: Don Lancaster.

However I have found most of his columns in magazines to be content-free, typo-filled, hyperbolic, self-aggrandizing prattle. A self-appointed "guru"? Really?  ::)

Everything was either utterly simple or completely change the world forever, yet I can't find anything he's actually done. A few publications for circuits in the 1970s and a book or two of basically republished data books and he's been coasting on that for decades?

And what's his obsession with PostScript?

To help us understand that perspective, please give links to your last half dozen or so publications.
 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2018, 08:23:17 pm »
There is no such thing as a guru.

The guy did however produce three excellent books which grace my bookshelf. CMOS, TTL, active filter cookbooks. They have been terribly useful over the years.
 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2018, 08:23:59 pm »
He wrote half a dozen books or so, designed the pioneering TV typewriter project and helped countless people become entrepreneurs and interested in engineering, and I'm not sure how many magazine tutorial articles, but it's a lot. That's a lot more than most people.
His website is full or article, here is just the tutorial page on PIC's:
https://www.tinaja.com/picup01.shtml
How about 87 Hardware Articles:
https://www.tinaja.com/hhsamp1.shtml
Do you know how much work goes into writing just one good tutorial article, let alone 87 of them?

Was he some leading edge design "guru", no, but does that matter?
« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 08:38:23 pm by EEVblog »
 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2018, 08:38:42 pm »
His books helped a good number of us get started back in the '70s. If you've only just heard of him, you're clearly not one of us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Lancaster
« Last Edit: November 06, 2018, 08:43:14 pm by Gyro »
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2018, 08:55:05 pm »
You seem to be affected with a severe case of youngism.  :popcorn:

I've never owned one of his books, but his articles were great actually. A lot of us learned a lot thanks to him. Guru or not, profilic designer or not, he sure had very practical knowledge. You can't say he didn't know what he was talking about.

 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2018, 09:11:28 pm »
Haha, maybe, but not seriously - just pointing out the value he's brought to many.
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2018, 09:15:24 pm »
Well I recall having a discussion with Don about the images in his Ebay store a couple of years ago. He claimed his images where the best of all Ebay stores and that he has the absolute knowledge about trading on Ebay. Unfortunately that is only true in his mind.
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2018, 09:16:42 pm »
Haha, maybe, but not seriously - just pointing out the value he's brought to many.

I was replying to the author of this thread and also based on another post in the Kirchhoff discussion. ;D
 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2018, 09:23:46 pm »
I have an autographed copy of CMOS Cookbook. That and TTL Cookbook are still worth owning a copy of.
 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2018, 09:45:26 pm »
One has to remember the time when these books and articles were published........late 70s throughout the 80s.

Back in those days, the only way a young person would be able to gain technical knowledge was....was........gasp.....get ready for this......... reading books.

Technical books were either math heavy and intended for College EE courses. Or the simpler, hands-on type, with emphasis on learning thru building novel and fun projects. They were called "cookbooks" for a reason.

People like Don Lancaster, Forrest Mims, Doug Self and many others wrote the latter books.

To me in particular, Mr Mims was the best of the bunch. His notebook style, hand drawn, but very legible schematics were a joy to experiment with. Simple prose, good technical tips and advice, minimal details intended only to whet your appetite.
 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2018, 09:59:56 pm »
Don Lancaster never tried to be a guru. He stuck to presenting fairly basic material to beginners. Since he kept publishing for quite a while, I assume the target audience found it useful material.

 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2018, 10:26:42 pm »
Everything was either utterly simple or completely change the world forever, yet I can't find anything he's actually done. A few publications for circuits in the 1970s and a book or two of basically republished data books and he's been coasting on that for decades?

And what's his obsession with PostScript?

He has a curious way of being very binary, yes. And punctuating heavily. With periods. Not sure if he fancies himself in a Shatner style. Or what.

I remember reading, for example, his articles on "magic sinewaves" back in Electronics Now.  It sounds fantastic (remember -- his own advice, even -- about "too good to be true"?), but he never seems to discuss the practical challenges you'd face, using them in a real implementation.

For example: offhand, it seems to me, you're building a waveform basically as PWM, but with the edges lined up just so, to control harmonics carefully.  The solutions are simple enough, for a given setup (amplitude and frequency), and for relatively few edges.  The solutions get progressively worse as number of edges rises -- you're solving for the roots of an order-N polynomial, a problem well known to be unstable (poorly conditioned), and having unfavorable complexity (i.e., as N rises, how long does the computation take?).  Moreover, in any real system, you will need three things: 1. many switching edges, so you can keep the filter to a practical size; 2. amplitude control, so you can regulate the output; 3. quantized edges (i.e., clock synchronized), so that the sequence can be generated from a counter, not requiring complicated hardware (clock multipliers, or vernier, or variable analog delays, say).

So, now that others have picked up the idea and actually done the hard work, there are real results available on the subject.  Example, plots of edge timing versus amplitude, for a given number of pulses during the quarter cycle.  It's a nonlinear trajectory, kind of obviously because of the trigonometric polynomial being solved, but less obviously in that you would naively expect the pulses to grow outward from their centers, and that's about that.  Well, as it happens, that's the small-signal equivalent, and it's close enough for large signals (that is, near 100% amplitude) to serve as a starting point for refinements.  Since it's just a polynomial, we can iterate Newton's root finding method to get arbitrarily close to the local minima, which because the starting point was close enough, it's very likely to be the true minima.

That makes real time computation of the level (as a function of amplitude, tweaks in frequency, and quantization) practical, on modestly powerful MCUs, or FPGAs, for audio frequency content.

Alternately, you can forget about it entirely, which is mostly what's happened.  You don't gain much by timing the edges impossibly tightly, when you have, say, a thousand edges per cycle.  For one, that's a huge pain to solve for (and with so many parameters to solve for, it's also that much more likely to go numerically unstable).  For a 60Hz inverter, that's 30kHz, an entirely boring PWM frequency.  If the motivation is reduction of waste power, then one needs at least a modest switching frequency to begin with, because filter inductor Q generally goes as sqrt(f).  This combination already makes it at least intractable, if not outright impossible.  Further, if we're optimizing for size, we need to push the switching frequency up that much higher still, and then we might look to higher performance technologies like GaN power transistors to address the switching losses.

His predictions and arguments on other subjects are also here and there, in line with what you should expect for such matters.

Hydrogen fuel cells still aren't going anywhere, even with adsorption storage to try to drive down its astronomically poor specific energy density.  Downside being the extreme weight and cost gain in the process.  Possibly a catalyst can be developed which is relatively cheap and allows rapid, efficient and reversible bonding of hydrogen to, say, a hydrocarbon framework.  Without the framework reverting to, say, graphite while it's empty.

We are, however, getting closer to solar fuels.  Chemical processes are known which can convert CO2 into small alcohols and such (which can be used directly in engines), they're just awful end-to-end efficiency.  Some use electrical power (paired with a PV array, you get solar fuel as such), some with traditional chemical (heat driven) methods, some with direct photolytic action.

I think he followed solar too, mainly complaining that it wasn't anywhere close to break-even.  I haven't checked if his opinion has changed on that in recent years.  I think also as time went on, he changed his tune from economic breakeven (which is relatively rapid with today's installs -- a few years) to thermodynamic breakeven (i.e., you don't see solar panel factories with solar panels on the top and a negative overall power consumption to the grid).  He is probably still correct about that, but we'll see if that continues to change at the same rate as the first instance...

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2018, 11:16:36 pm »
 Postscript is MUCH more than most people think it is, that's why Don was so into it for a certain period. I used to work with his examples and dump things to printers to try them out - instead of filling out page after page of a word processor document and then sending it to the printer, a dozen lines of PostScript code could create the same output. It's MUCH more than simply a page layout formatting language.

 I suggest reading his PostScript articles, I would expect they are available online these days. You might learn something neat. I kind of forgot a lot of that stuff when I moved on and didn;t have ready access to a PostScript printer to actually execute things on.

 
 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2018, 11:27:53 pm »
Postscript is MUCH more than most people think it is, that's why Don was so into it for a certain period. I used to work with his examples and dump things to printers to try them out - instead of filling out page after page of a word processor document and then sending it to the printer, a dozen lines of PostScript code could create the same output. It's MUCH more than simply a page layout formatting language.

Yup - and it's still pervasive in the printers world.

Also remember how NeXTSTEP used Display PostScript for its GUI.


 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2018, 11:34:07 pm »
Postscript is MUCH more than most people think it is, that's why Don was so into it for a certain period. I used to work with his examples and dump things to printers to try them out - instead of filling out page after page of a word processor document and then sending it to the printer, a dozen lines of PostScript code could create the same output. It's MUCH more than simply a page layout formatting language.

 I suggest reading his PostScript articles, I would expect they are available online these days. You might learn something neat. I kind of forgot a lot of that stuff when I moved on and didn;t have ready access to a PostScript printer to actually execute things on.
Yes!  I actually corresponded with him many years ago about some obscure PostScript issue, and he was quite helpful.  I was trying to generate grey-tone graphical output on a full page of a printer with limited memory, and he suggested what to do to make it work.  (At least, I think that was what the issue was.)  I think I later corresponded with him again on an issue much closer to some eevblog topics of surplus test gear.
He seemed to be a really nice guy, eager to help out.

His web site is still there, too, at https://tinaja.com/

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2018, 11:38:33 pm »
Postscript is MUCH more than most people think it is, that's why Don was so into it for a certain period. I used to work with his examples and dump things to printers to try them out - instead of filling out page after page of a word processor document and then sending it to the printer, a dozen lines of PostScript code could create the same output. It's MUCH more than simply a page layout formatting language.

 I suggest reading his PostScript articles, I would expect they are available online these days. You might learn something neat. I kind of forgot a lot of that stuff when I moved on and didn;t have ready access to a PostScript printer to actually execute things on.
Yes!  I actually corresponded with him many years ago about some obscure PostScript issue, and he was quite helpful.  I was trying to generate grey-tone graphical output on a full page of a printer with limited memory, and he suggested what to do to make it work.  (At least, I think that was what the issue was.)  I think I later corresponded with him again on an issue much closer to some eevblog topics of surplus test gear.
He seemed to be a really nice guy, eager to help out.

His web site is still there, too, at https://tinaja.com/

Jon

 Awesome - there it is, a lot of the things I played around with, on the Postscript page, Don & Bee Lancaster's Postscript Beginner's Guide. I think I have found a new time sink - since now you cna send that stuff to a local renderer instead of a physical printer. Just looking at some of the code brings back memories.

 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2018, 11:41:48 pm »
 Also - I remember well the Apple II Cookbooks - I used those to learn assembly for the Apple II which I needed for my final project for the advanced BASIC class in schoool because doing my graphics in BASIC was waaay too slow. So I integrated some assembly for the slow parts which made it work.

 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2018, 12:02:52 am »
  I can't say that Don would be a guru today but in the mid 1970s he certainly was.  For one thing, he was very good at being able to explain topics in an understandable fashion.  I still have a stack of the various Cookbook series, including several that he wrote.
 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2018, 12:32:06 am »
he was very good at being able to explain topics in an understandable fashion.

As opposed to some professors that tend to explain understandable topics in an obscure fashion. ;D
 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2018, 12:37:55 am »
First of all I suspect a very large proportion of the older readers of EEVblog got a lot of their start in electronics from Don's books and articles.  Always clear, well written and with a sense of humor.

Don's most important books:

The TTL Cookbook
The CMOS Cookbook
The Active Filter Cookbook

were staples on the shelves of any serious hobbyist.  And it you needed a terminal for your Apple I (for which he designed the keyboard) or Altair 8800B you also had the TV Typewriter Cookbook.  I don't recall that I ever called him, though I might have once.  But he was widely known to accept phone calls and letters and answer questions.  At 65 I still idolize him.  He was the real deal.

In the 70's and 80's if you claimed to be interested in electronics and didn't recognize allusions to Don and his books and articles you were immediately dismissed a pretentious wannabe.

As for calling himself a "guru" (if he ever did) you need to remember that in the 1970's  the US was overrun with a vast number of frauds who came to the West and set themselves up as "gurus".   For those of us who lived in that era, someone claiming to be a "tech guru" is a tongue in cheek joke.  So when I hear or read some younger person claiming seriously to be a "guru" I always laugh.  Absolute guaranteed way for me not to take them seriously at all.

It appears as if Don may have passed away in the past few days as his last blog entry was 11-1-18 and he seems to have been very consistent about making a short post every day.  I hope that's not the case.  If anyone knows please post a link to an obituary.  He wandered off into archaeology and other stuff and stopped writing on electronics almost completely.

On Halloween he posted a link to the Lawrence Welk version of "One Toke Over the Line"!!!  Obviously Welk and his production staff did *not* understanding of "toke".

 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2018, 12:47:42 am »
One of the things that made me like Don Lancaster a lot in his articles and on his web page is that he really did make sure the math worked.  It came out most clearly in his discussions of solar powered cars, but it was there everywhere. 

You can partly understand his fascination with Postscript when you realize that as magazines and other outlets died much of his income came from his self publishing business.  He put a lot of time and effort into how to efficiently put words on paper and into a mailer.
 
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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2018, 12:52:53 am »
I missed out out Don Lancasters books, learnt logic design from the Texas TTL data book, Motorola 4000 series data book, Steve Ciarcia's Circuit Cellar and back issues of Wireless World.
 

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Re: Was Don Lancaster really a "guru"?
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2018, 12:54:15 am »
As for calling himself a "guru" (if he ever did)

His website is called the Guru's Lair
And he claims 1800 articles and 36 books, wow that's a lot of work.
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