we need traffic lights for satellites

[Gyro]

are they gonna have to pay NORAD for all the extra shit they put up there? should there be a rule against American companies using foreign nation to launch satellites under their control? should a space control cabal be formed?

ESA should certainly charge them for the fuel used and reduction in operational life of Aeolus.

[coppercone2]

are satellite related lawsuits precedented?


I mean, for stuff that happens in space, not dishnet related scammers as usual/illegal tv, or patent crap. I mean like collisions, occupation of orbital path, interference

https://www.space.com/20173-china-space-junk-crash-lawsuit.html
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3392/1

can this lead to lesser nations becoming some kind of satellite launch havens since they will reject litigation? Kind of like Caymen islands, Panama, Switzerland, Ireland being tech/financial hubs



Many states have adopted national space legislation, including Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, France, Germany, Japan, Kazakhstan, the Netherlands, Norway, the Republic of Korea, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, and the United States.4 Several are detailed below, in order to demonstrate the common approach to absolute versus fault-based liability and state liability versus corporate liability.

Is north korea a Chinese satellite haven?

I don't think it would take too much to build a launch pad some where? I feel like south/middle america can make bank if they just decide to have lax space laws and are in dire straits already. Their not exactly horrible places to live for space engineers.

 Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, Sao Tome & Principe, Gabon, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Maldives, Indonesia and Kiribati. All equatorial .

Somalia, Kenya, Congo and Uganga would probably be destabilized by the CIA if they tried it. No idea what Gabon or Sao Tome or Kiribati are. shady Nigerian satilite launch site possible? can this fix africa?

[Lord of nothing]

A Group in Denmark when I right rember build a Space Rocket with parts from the conventional Market.
Why not collect Money and troll the Ami by wrap some Sticky Alu foil around there Keyhole Sat. 

[madires]

Bankrupt OneWeb seeks license for 48,000 satellites, even more than SpaceX:
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/05/spacex-and-oneweb-seek-licenses-to-launch-78000-broadband-satellites/

[nuclearcat]

I think all of them should pay "insurance", provide specs and keep up to date current info about satellites to some international authority, in case they declare themself "not profitable" as many startups do, and then just disappear.
At least someone should be able to manage their crap on orbit, to avoid collisions and making huge amount of debris.
"Oh sorry our "solar roadways" tons of satellites for better internet idea didnt worked", and whole humanity watch flying junk that will close access to space for several generations.

[coppercone2]

That would be 8 times more satellites then are currently in space. That is alot of liabilities.

[rgarito]

Perhaps the same person who thought we'd never outgrow 640K of RAM?

[Syntax Error]

Problem with satellites is they are not meant to come down. Even LEO satellites remain as hazardous waste for decades. There must be a rule to deorbit (burn up) a satellite after it's mission has expired. Graveyard orbits are just a way of moving space junk somewhere/some when else. Oceanic states may protest that the Pacific is not a dumping ground for space waste.

A thought about Starlink, would a major earth bound CME leave hundreds of dead satellites in orbit? They are rad-hard?

A concept solution? Space harpoon skewers 'orbital debris'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47252304

[madires]

FCC approves Amazon’s internet-from-space Kuiper constellation of 3,236 satellites: https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/30/21348768/fcc-amazon-kuiper-satellite-constellation-approval

[cdev]

Those satellites are ruining astrophotography and increase the risk that an unobserved meteor could collide with Earth but Elon Musk couldn't care less.

At the very least he could have simply painted them black.

ESA had to perform a collision avoidance manoeuvre for Aeolus because of SpaceX' Starlink:
https://twitter.com/esaoperations/status/1168533241873260544

SpaceX Refused To Move A Starlink Satellite At Risk Of Collision With A European Satellite:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanocallaghan/2019/09/02/spacex-refused-to-move-a-starlink-satellite-at-risk-of-collision-with-a-european-satellite/#6e2c36d51f62

Aeolus is a little bit longer in space than the Starlink satellite. So we can guess what will happen with tons of LEO internet satellites and SpaceX' attitude.

[cdev]

If brought in the courts of any specific country, especially the US, I suspect they will be preempted, if they aren't already.

Meaning preempted by some international treaty or another. In case you hadn't noticed there is an international gold rush going on to grab up all rights that arent already grabbed by somebody, this is so corporations can claim the continuation of that policy, whatever it is, is their "property".  "After all they are the job creators". /sarcasm. 

are satellite related lawsuits precedented?


I mean, for stuff that happens in space, not dishnet related scammers as usual/illegal tv, or patent crap. I mean like collisions, occupation of orbital path, interference

https://www.space.com/20173-china-space-junk-crash-lawsuit.html
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/3392/1

can this lead to lesser nations becoming some kind of satellite launch havens since they will reject litigation? Kind of like Caymen islands, Panama, Switzerland, Ireland being tech/financial hubs



Many states have adopted national space legislation, including Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, China, France, Germany, Japan, Kazakhstan, the Netherlands, Norway, the Republic of Korea, Russia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Ukraine, the United Kingdom, and the United States.4 Several are detailed below, in order to demonstrate the common approach to absolute versus fault-based liability and state liability versus corporate liability.

Is north korea a Chinese satellite haven?

I don't think it would take too much to build a launch pad some where? I feel like south/middle america can make bank if they just decide to have lax space laws and are in dire straits already. Their not exactly horrible places to live for space engineers.

 Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, Sao Tome & Principe, Gabon, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Maldives, Indonesia and Kiribati. All equatorial .

Somalia, Kenya, Congo and Uganga would probably be destabilized by the CIA if they tried it. No idea what Gabon or Sao Tome or Kiribati are. shady Nigerian satilite launch site possible? can this fix africa?

   See http://apps.agi.com/SatelliteViewer/ for an idea of how much debris we need to track now.

Re picture: ALL YOUR SPACE ARE BELONG TO US!"

[Lord of nothing]

  Why does it remember me at many Bond Movies? That Guys with the Satellites was never the good one. 

[wraper]

Aeolus is a little bit longer in space than the Starlink satellite. So we can guess what will happen with tons of LEO internet satellites and SpaceX' attitude.

This is an outdated claim which is not true. There was miscommunication. https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/3/20847243/spacex-starlink-satellite-european-space-agency-aeolus-conjunction-space-debris

but SpaceX says the bad communication was not intentional and that a bug in the company’s “on-call paging system” prevented the Starlink team from getting additional email correspondence from ESA.

“SpaceX is still investigating the issue and will implement corrective actions,” a company spokesperson said in a statement. “However, had the Starlink operator seen the correspondence, we would have coordinated with ESA to determine best approach with their continuing with their maneuver or our performing a maneuver.”

Also that was not a standard Starlink orbit. It happened during deorbiting testing.

[wraper]

Problem with satellites is they are not meant to come down. Even LEO satellites remain as hazardous waste for decades. There must be a rule to deorbit (burn up) a satellite after it's mission has expired. Graveyard orbits are just a way of moving space junk somewhere/some when else. Oceanic states may protest that the Pacific is not a dumping ground for space waste.

They are exactly meant to come down. Even if they fail to do so, they will deorbit due to atmospheric drag (yes there still are a little bit of air particles) in a few years unlike satellites at higher orbits which will stay there basically forever.

Those satellites are ruining astrophotography and increase the risk that an unobserved meteor could collide with Earth but Elon Musk couldn't care less.

With current technology available, you would have observed meteor colliding with Earth. Result would be exactly the same.

[Lord of nothing]

in a few years

well I would say such company must be forced to pay, hire a Insurance Company who kicks in to remove it when the Company not exist any more.

[wraper]

in a few years

well I would say such company must be forced to pay, hire a Insurance Company who kicks in to remove it when the Company not exist any more.

[Lord of nothing]

  Why should the Public aka Tax Payer pay a Company to remove the Sat from an old one?
Well here in my Country a Company who own a Property who is contaminated with Toxic Material must remove then thats why some place in a (former) Business Park is emty and the City was forced to remove the remains because the just Dumped Chemicals behind the Factory in a Trench. 

[wraper]

Why should the Public aka Tax Payer pay a Company to remove the Sat from an old one?
Well here in my Country a Company who own a Property who is contaminated with Toxic Material must remove then thats why some place in a (former) Business Park is emty and the City was forced to remove the remains because the just Dumped Chemicals behind the Factory in a Trench. 

Do you have completely no clue about space or what?  Satellite will deorbit by itself in a time of a few years if it fails and cannot deorbit proactively. Nobody in sane mind will fly to collect garbage from space with current technology available. Unless there is a huge leap in propulsion like from electron tubes to modern CPUs, it won't be viable. FYI Geostationary satellites move to graveyard orbit at the and of their lifetime. https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/spacecraft-graveyard/en/

[cdev]

Lots of LEO satellites are still up there that have been orbiting Earth for a very long time.  So I dont think it's so cut and dry.

Why should the Public aka Tax Payer pay a Company to remove the Sat from an old one?
Well here in my Country a Company who own a Property who is contaminated with Toxic Material must remove then thats why some place in a (former) Business Park is emty and the City was forced to remove the remains because the just Dumped Chemicals behind the Factory in a Trench. 

Do you have completely no clue about space or what?  Satellite will deorbit by itself in a time of a few years if it fails and cannot deorbit proactively. Nobody in sane mind will fly to collect garbage from space with current technology available. Unless there is a huge leap in propulsion like from electron tubes to modern CPUs, it won't be viable. FYI Geostationary satellites move to graveyard orbit at the and of their lifetime. https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/spacecraft-graveyard/en/

[wraper]

Lots of LEO satellites are still up there that have been orbiting Earth for a very long time.  So I dont think it's so cut and dry.

LEO has a quite broad orbit altitude range. Starlink satellites are on the lower part of LEO where atmospheric drag is significant.

[Lord of nothing]

Satellite will deorbit by itself in a time of a few years

Which Upcomming Space Company want to wait "a few years" until there is space for them?
Here in Europe we saw it with the Scooter. A Company shut down at Friday and declare bankruptcy and the City had to remove on there own cost all useless Scooter.
Lets say Space X when out of Business or sell there Sat (on the Paper) and that Company went down who feel capable of that junk?

Nobody in sane mind will fly to collect garbage from space with current technology available.

Thats why we must force them to think about that FIRST and than permit them to launch a huge amount of Sat who will be up for

few years

.
Maybe its the "European way" of think about sub stability.

[wraper]

Satellite will deorbit by itself in a time of a few years

Which Upcomming Space Company want to wait "a few years" until there is space for them?

LOL?   
There is no "space" of deorbiting sattelite new company needs to wait for. Nor that "exact spot" will be given to any other company to begin with. Not to say that decaying satellite gradually lowers it's orbit.
I started doubting your sanity. It's not like any satellite is obstructing anyone. There is a lot of free space. The concern it that satellites on different orbits may collide in some circumstances and as they travel at extremely high speed create a lot of widespread debris clouds which then may hit other satellites.
My suggestion is go read some stuff about what the space is, how things work there and don't embarrass yourself further.

[madires]

Launch windows will have to become tighter and the operational part be will be harder too, especially if some satellites aren't there where they should be according to the database.

[rdl]

There's only going to be about one satellite for every five thousand square kilometers or so.

[madires]

About 3% of Starlink satellites have failed so far: https://phys.org/news/2020-10-starlink-satellites.html