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Offline RandyDarkshade

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Weird TV Glitch?
« on: August 19, 2017, 05:56:14 pm »
I leave my TV on stand by all the time. I have owned it for about a year and a half. It's a samsung LCD. However last night it....turned on by itself. I have been told that sometimes TV's do this when on stand by, is this true? is it a weird phenomenon? A glitch? If so what would cause it? Or do I have ghosts? lol
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 06:55:54 pm »
Do you use the TV's program guide, ...if you've accidentally set a program reminder...
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2017, 08:04:18 pm »
It might also be infra red from LED lamps or fluorescent lamps with electronic ballasts, which switch at a similar frequency to TV remotes
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2017, 09:05:31 pm »
I don't use the TV's built in TV programmer. There wasn't any other Infra red devices active or LED lights, I was trying to sleep and I turn everything off at night.
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2017, 09:17:00 pm »
Neighbours kids, armed with a high power tv-b-gone or universal remote, are playing a prank on you  :popcorn:
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2017, 09:31:50 pm »
It could seriously be anything. IR radiation is incredibly common. Even humans and other animals emit some. I wouldn't worry about it unless it continues to happen.
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2017, 10:35:37 pm »
The three letter agency guys switched it on remotely to update its mind control firmware . . .  :-DD

More seriously, standby in most modern remote controlled devices is usually handled by a MCU that also decodes the IR commands and monitors front panel buttons.  If the mains power is interrupted just long enough to glitch the standby supply to the MCU, its state could be corrupted and it could be fooled into thinking it should be on.  Its pretty rare as a longer power dropout would reset it and any sane design would come back up in standby to minimise the annoyance and risk of damage if the interruption is rapidly repeated, and a shorter dropout wouldn't glitch the standby supply rail enough to matter.  If it was common, any reputable brand would have designed it out . . . .
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2017, 10:44:42 pm »
It could seriously be anything. IR radiation is incredibly common. Even humans and other animals emit some. I wouldn't worry about it unless it continues to happen.
That's true, but the peak wavelength of IR emitted by a human is much longer than that used by a TV remote (9.5µm, as opposed to 950nm) and it isn't modulated at a high frequency.
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2017, 12:15:44 am »
Even though the IR receiver is tuned for a something like 38Khz-48Khz modulated IR optical signal at around 940nm, the internal amplifier demodulator has such a high signal gain, it is sensitive to many random EMI signals.  This is why many of these IR receivers are encased in a tiny shielded metal case with a window opening for the IR photo diode.  Usually, checksums in the IR codes would prevent the TV's MCU from accidentally interpreting the occasional glitch as a command.  You may have witnessed a fluke, or if you have a neighbor with some new RF transmitting gadget or in the line of sight of a new cell tower broadcast, this may begin to happen on a regular basis.
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2017, 12:40:44 am »
It could seriously be anything. IR radiation is incredibly common. Even humans and other animals emit some. I wouldn't worry about it unless it continues to happen.
That's true, but the peak wavelength of IR emitted by a human is much longer than that used by a TV remote (9.5µm, as opposed to 950nm) and it isn't modulated at a high frequency.

Aware of that. The purpose of my stating that various animals emit IR was just to show that IR can come from almost anything. I never said it was the cause.
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2017, 02:04:08 am »
I also have a (rarely used now) Samsung LCD TV.

Yesterday, for the first time ever, it turned itself on. Since the last time it was on it was acting as an HDMI monitor for my RPI, it was seeking its input. I am not kidding. The remote was in its drawer.

Just another data point in this matter.


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I leave my TV on stand by all the time. I have owned it for about a year and a half. It's a samsung LCD. However last night it....turned on by itself. I have been told that sometimes TV's do this when on stand by, is this true? is it a weird phenomenon? A glitch? If so what would cause it? Or do I have ghosts? lol
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2017, 03:52:41 am »
Is it hooked to the Internet? ("Smart TV")

Most Samsung TVs that are, do automatic updates late at night in whatever time zone they've decided they're in, or were programmed with.

I wouldn't put it past a flawed software update to reset the "power is on" memory location after an automated reboot, for example.

Just another option in the long list of things that could "turn on" something that is never really off.
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2017, 03:53:40 am »
It could be a bug, seriously a bug like with hairy legs and all that.   :o
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2017, 04:11:42 am »
I cannot see it being a random IR signal received.  Just too much 'coincidence' needed to get through detection and decoding.  Way too much IMHO.

I'd go for a power line issue as mentioned above - or something akin to "wake on ..." whatever signal avenues are available.

Somebody beaming a remote through a window as a prank is also a possibility.  (With the wavelengths being used, this does work.  Just tested it.)
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2017, 05:20:21 am »
My TV is not hooked up to the internet nor is it hooked up to the cable

Its used as a monitor... a "vessel" for the dreams of others.
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2017, 06:34:56 am »
My TV is not hooked up to the internet nor is it hooked up to the cable

Its used as a monitor... a "vessel" for the dreams of others.
Fair 'nuff.

Reason I mentioned it is I've found my Samsung on once, unexpectedly, along with new firmware in it.

It's connected to the Interwebz so the spy agencies can know when I'm watching YouTube videos from Dave on it via screencasting tech of various flavors or one of the streaming boxes, of course.

That way they know I'm not building something nefarious in my electronics room and ham shack. I try to make their jobs as easy as possible.

But I'm guessing my "mystery on" had more to do with crappy rural mains power than anything. I'm amazed my power co-op doesn't blow up more of my gear.

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2017, 06:53:58 am »
I've read several Samsung-specific cases:

 - Most probable: power supply starting to fail.

 - Maybe: Power glitch on mains.

 - Less probable: an hdmi connected device, but you have been suspecting about this if there was a new device connected.


If it starts repeating more often that will be 1st option.

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2017, 08:22:00 am »
There was a similar problem with Panasonic TVs some years ago.  It turned out to be caused by poor quality electrolytics on the standby circuitry board/area.  The capacitors usually started to bulge at the ends.  They were  typically a couple of hundred uFd ~25 volt so called 105 degree rated. Replacement of those  2 capacitor, if I remember correctly, cleared the problem.  Maybe this is the same problem and the standby circuitry is located in a hot  area of the TV.
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2017, 05:42:40 pm »
Phillips LED TV (dumb version with no internet) turned on randomly ~5 times in last 6-12 months. It happened at night, day, morning, evening. My guess it is either internal reset (because SW crashes and resets) or RF/light interference from outside.
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2017, 06:53:29 pm »
Does it have touch panel controls?   (Capsense, no physical button)

Samsung has notoriously bad touch panel controls on some of their TVs, mostly the ones around 2008-2011.

They will sometimes pick up random touches causing channel changes, and possible could turn the TV on, though I've not seen that one before.
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2017, 10:22:52 pm »
That's true, but the peak wavelength of IR emitted by a human is much longer than that used by a TV remote (9.5µm, as opposed to 950nm) and it isn't modulated at a high frequency.

It is if you're anywhere near a UBeamTM remote charger.  :)
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2017, 02:08:07 am »
Check what HDMI devices you have plugged in. They may be sending CEC commands to your TV to turn on. I had this same issue with a DVR which would fire up the TV every time it powered on to record a TV show. You may be able to disable CEC either on your TV or on the devices themselves.
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2017, 06:20:56 am »
could be a virus too.. bound to happen eventually, people will mimic CIA shit
 

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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2017, 03:26:49 pm »
My approx 8yr old Samsung does this occasionally, maybe updating it's firmware via over-air update maybe ?

some years back it did have power supply repaired (electrolytic caps were too low a voltage), but it still does it as I noticed it on the other day.
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Re: Weird TV Glitch?
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2017, 05:21:07 pm »
I wonder, should I put a 75 ohm terminator on its input and see if it happens again ?

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