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What are your thoughts on STEM education in schools? Good, bad and ugly?
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coppice:

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--- Quote from: blueskull on February 21, 2020, 06:27:53 am ---China is innovating fast only because China is massively importing engineers from abroad, by hiring abroad Chinese citizens, welcoming foreigners and setting up research centers abroad.

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Except foreigner (with no Chinese parents) will never get Chinese citizenship. In theory it's possible, in practice it is not unless you are Nobel prize laureate or something sort of. There are like a thousand of naturalized citizens in China, it'a goddamn 1ppm  :palm:.

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There is no particular reason why a country should offer citizenship to foreigners, so what is your point?

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That it is not welcoming anyone in practice. What you should expect is being thrown out once you become old.

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There are enough people wishing to go there. I have yet to meet a foreigner who wants to settle there until they die, unless they have married a local. People who have married a local have no real problem staying.

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Even if you have education and skills, your chances getting proper job are very low unless they are very specific in some demanded area..

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Wow, what a surprise. If they don't need you, you aren't welcome. Whoda thought?  :) China graduates people on a scale its hard to grasp until you spend time there. They have entire universities which teach a single course, such as electronics. They graduate over 300k people in electronics each year. Their priority is to ensure those people have decent careers. They only need foreigners to fill skills gaps, and they won't need them forever. They have to do a lot to accommodate most foreigners, because few of them learn to speak or write. If you want to work in China you have to realise and accept that.
wraper:

--- Quote from: coppice on February 22, 2020, 02:49:51 am ---People who have married a local have no real problem staying.

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Emphasis on "stay". With no work permit. Spouse visa does not allow you to work. And they can refuse giving you a separate work visa at any moment.

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--- Quote from: wraper on February 22, 2020, 02:30:24 am ---
--- Quote ---The white monkey jobs are for those without professional skills
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Even if you have education and skills, your chances getting proper job are very low unless they are very specific in some demanded area..

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Wow, what a surprise. If they don't need you, you aren't welcome. Whoda thought?  :) China graduates people on a scale its hard to grasp until you spend time there. They have entire universities which teach a single course, such as electronics. They graduate over 300k people in electronics each year. Their priority is to ensure those people have decent careers. They only need foreigners to fill skills gaps, and they won't need them forever. They have to do a lot to accommodate most foreigners, because few of them learn to speak or write. If you want to work in China you have to realise and accept that.
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And that's why I say that you are not welcomed. Your narrow specialization might be in demand now but but may become not in 5 years. In the nutshell, you better not dream about settling there long term.
magic:

--- Quote from: coppice on February 22, 2020, 02:49:51 am ---Wow, what a surprise. If they don't need you, you aren't welcome. Whoda thought?  :)

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Being in Europe you ought to know better why this can be considered "surprising" :P
EEVblog:
Stop the politics Ed.
magic:
IMO the worst thing about modern education is micromanagement and standardized testing. It was roughly during my time at school when Polish universities switched from entrance exams to admissions based on a common, country-wide end-of-highschool exam. Predictably, the highschools reacted with every effort to game the standard exam. Mock exams: first once, then twice, then twice every month. Hours of preparatory courses (during normal lesson time), solving tasks from every past exams, solving tasks similar to those from past exam, etc. It seems you don't go to school to learn anything anymore but to learn how to pass the final exams, how the answers are graded, what scores you points, blah blah blah ::)

I suppose it also has a demoralizing effect on teachers, turning their work into repetitively boring chore. I wonder what sort of people might be choosing to work in such an environment from now on.

Other than that, business as usual. Some schools were better, some were worse, some teachers were competent, others struggled solving our homework themselves. There were times when I learned a lot at school, there were times when I learned less.

One thing I would have killed for back in the day is waivers for kids bored out of their mind during lessons on selected subjects :D
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