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| free_electron:
What i learned is the following : - the medical world had no clue how to treat this novel virus. They applied time-proven procedures, only to find out they don't work with new diseases. ( note : this is not a blame. nobody know how this thing behaves, even now much of it is still an unknown) - 90% of people ending up on ventilators , died ... because the ventilators cause massive damage to the lungs in case of covid. - the reason the demand for ventilators has gone away is because they do not work for covid. It is better to feed to patient 100% oxygen using a demand mask , or a 'hood' than using intubation and forced ventilation. Some hospitals adapted a simple full-face snorkeling mask and hooked it to a 100% oxygen supply or a cpap machine. it worked way better than ventilators. less load on the patient. if you end up on a true ventilator with covid you are essentially dying with very little hope of recovery ... Stay safe ! |
| tggzzz:
--- Quote from: free_electron on July 07, 2020, 09:36:15 pm ---What i learned is the following : - the medical world had no clue how to treat this novel virus. They applied time-proven procedures, only to find out they don't work with new diseases. ( note : this is not a blame. nobody know how this thing behaves, even now much of it is still an unknown) --- End quote --- Not quite. They tried and are still trying remedies in the cupboard. Not procedures. The procedures used to discover and assess the remedies continue to be valid. --- Quote ---- 90% of people ending up on ventilators , died ... because the ventilators cause massive damage to the lungs in case of covid. - the reason the demand for ventilators has gone away is because they do not work for covid. It is better to feed to patient 100% oxygen using a demand mask , or a 'hood' than using intubation and forced ventilation. Some hospitals adapted a simple full-face snorkeling mask and hooked it to a 100% oxygen supply or a cpap machine. it worked way better than ventilators. less load on the patient. --- End quote --- AIUI that is too much of a simplification. --- Quote ---if you end up on a true ventilator with covid you are essentially dying with very little hope of recovery ... Stay safe ! --- End quote --- Very little is too strong. |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: james_s on July 07, 2020, 05:24:04 pm ---The Medtronic thing was obviously targeted at companies capable of producing devices of that nature already. If you are already manufacturing equipment and there is a dire enough need, having that design available greatly reduces the amount of reinventing the wheel that needs to be done. Also it was fascinating to be able to look at the design and see just how these things work. --- End quote --- I don't understand why Medtronic couldn't just ramp up existing production and pump out all the ventilators needed? |
| rsjsouza:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on July 08, 2020, 02:19:44 am --- --- Quote from: james_s on July 07, 2020, 05:24:04 pm ---The Medtronic thing was obviously targeted at companies capable of producing devices of that nature already. If you are already manufacturing equipment and there is a dire enough need, having that design available greatly reduces the amount of reinventing the wheel that needs to be done. Also it was fascinating to be able to look at the design and see just how these things work. --- End quote --- I don't understand why Medtronic couldn't just ramp up existing production and pump out all the ventilators needed? --- End quote --- Perhaps because they may have been burned in the past, just like Prestige Ameritech here in DFW area: --- Quote ---Learning from the company’s reaction to the 2009 swine flu pandemic, Bowen says he isn’t hiring additional staff or increasing production times because if/when the outbreak subsides his businesses would be forced to downsize. “Everybody said they’d stay with us. The day after the [swine flu] pandemic they forgot who we were. We nearly went out of business,” Bowen said during a recent podcast. --- End quote --- Source: https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/02/26/north-texas-face-mask-manufacturer-coronavirus-demand/ |
| EEVblog:
--- Quote from: rsjsouza on July 08, 2020, 02:34:59 am --- --- Quote from: EEVblog on July 08, 2020, 02:19:44 am --- --- Quote from: james_s on July 07, 2020, 05:24:04 pm ---The Medtronic thing was obviously targeted at companies capable of producing devices of that nature already. If you are already manufacturing equipment and there is a dire enough need, having that design available greatly reduces the amount of reinventing the wheel that needs to be done. Also it was fascinating to be able to look at the design and see just how these things work. --- End quote --- I don't understand why Medtronic couldn't just ramp up existing production and pump out all the ventilators needed? --- End quote --- Perhaps because they may have been burned in the past, just like Prestige Ameritech here in DFW area: --- End quote --- Or perhaps, just perhaps, they needed some good publicity: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/business/coronavirus-us-ventilator-shortage.html |
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