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What happens when your cloud service just pulls the plug - Insteon gone
bdunham7:
It's not just small, shady companies that 'pull the plug'. Ford turned off the 3G-based mobile data system for my 8 year old car (they had previously upgraded it from 2G to 3G, obviously thinking 90 days ahead like most of the corporate world) without any notice or mention. The relatively minor feature set that used this simply stopped working. Not exactly confidence inspiring when a company that size thinks it's OK to just walk away from their products--although I predicted that they would do exactly this when we bought the car. I said it would become 'abandonware', as it was a low-volume EV that they mostly outsourced. I'm sure their management, to the extent that they are even aware of them, sincerely wishes that they didn't exist.
The cloud is a trap and I can't believe people stilll go for it. My files are physically on my hard drives. The few server-involved remote systems I do have, are fully controllable locally, so if I do lose the server I can still use them. And even then, nothing terribly important. Imagine the chaos if larger cloud-based companies started to go away. We're not exactly prepared for the apocalypse.
kripton2035:
I have a postgres database in a local NAS. and then lots of small esp8266 modules that measure or switch things in the house, each one acting as a web server and interacting with some others if needed. the database records the values along time, and I can control anything with a simple web browser on any device around the world, after initiating a vpn connection to the house. simple and in total control. not even need for mqtt or alike.
PKTKS:
not just the "cloud is a trap.."
All these cell phone based gizmos.. they require you to be signed in the cloud to do anything ...
And not really a surprise OS vendors are requiring same shit...
You will just not be able to boot without a "connection" ..
and these new "chips" inside plain mobos..
Or we deal with it now and DITCH ALL THIS SHIT for good..
or.. is plain simple to see what and from whom is coming ahead..
Not a surprise.. why people accept these insanely shit overpriced gizmos...
Paul
Bassman59:
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on April 18, 2022, 02:53:25 pm ---It's not just small, shady companies that 'pull the plug'. Ford turned off the 3G-based mobile data system for my 8 year old car
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I think it's less that Ford turned off the 3G than the network providers turned it off.
In this case, it's the dependence on "someone else's network" that screwed this. I think at this point, everybody should understand that every cellular data network will not be around
forever, and probably not around for the lifetime of the product -- your car -- that uses it.
And you're right -- management wishes the feature didn't exist. Were they unaware that these networks are not forever? Were they willfully selling a product they knew they couldn't support?
How long until the cellular hardware in early Tesla models stops being functional because the network providers decided they don't want to support the older networks? This is going to be a shit show.
Monkeh:
--- Quote from: Bassman59 on April 18, 2022, 03:09:14 pm ---
--- Quote from: bdunham7 on April 18, 2022, 02:53:25 pm ---It's not just small, shady companies that 'pull the plug'. Ford turned off the 3G-based mobile data system for my 8 year old car
--- End quote ---
I think it's less that Ford turned off the 3G than the network providers turned it off.
In this case, it's the dependence on "someone else's network" that screwed this. I think at this point, everybody should understand that every cellular data network will not be around
forever, and probably not around for the lifetime of the product -- your car -- that uses it.
And you're right -- management wishes the feature didn't exist. Were they unaware that these networks are not forever? Were they willfully selling a product they knew they couldn't support?
How long until the cellular hardware in early Tesla models stops being functional because the network providers decided they don't want to support the older networks? This is going to be a shit show.
--- End quote ---
Imagine if they designed it with modular hardware which could be upgraded in the future if necessary. Wait, that would involve intending the vehicles to remain on the road more than a few years, silly idea.
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