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What happens when your cloud service just pulls the plug - Insteon gone

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darkspr1te:

--- Quote from: cdev on May 04, 2022, 02:26:07 am ---
--- Quote from: Towger on April 18, 2022, 12:48:53 pm ---Just thank your self luck they just control your lights etc.  I have had a couple of customers on over the years, in a panic at the companies they used to host their back office (accounts, payroll, stock control etc) functions in the 'Cloud' suddenly decided to shut down.

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You can make almost any computer, including a very lightweight machine like a raspberry pi into a web server and implement your personal cloud box.. Just make sure it stays cool. Thin clients work well.. and take very liottle power.. Plus no surveillance, no google..I can esily wak you through setting up apache or nginx or a database server..

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I Self cloud all my systems, no internet access routes for protection apart from one service for me to vpn into should i require access to any "clouded" systems , eg cctv, access control, lights, power and data services. I just dont trust a company to be there in 6 months a year.
When i started out in my current profession the company had been sold 10 trackers at great cost, company disappeared before last two had been installed and no web service was provided to use the paid for trackers. Thankfully they were plain old GT06 clones and Traccar  the open tracking system go great together. The end result actually saved a great deal of money as self hosting was free and not at $60/per month ,  per tracker. only cost moving forward was the data fees per tracker and the bonus there was locally gprs is not charged for, only 3g and up so the tracking unit still remain with their initial talk time top up 5 years later.

It's not always a win though, i have a lot of tech still unused that is no longer supported or minor firmware issues and no open solutions exist or the tech is too locked down , this is not 20year old tech, this is in most cases less than 5 years old , while not cloud services the end result is the same, more e-waste.

and don't get me started on kernel sources , that a new rabbit hole of pain.


darkspr1te

cdev:

--- Quote from: kripton2035 on April 18, 2022, 12:34:42 pm ---if you really need a cloud, make your own private cloud on a NAS device. or be prepared to something like that ! (i.e. make backups if possible)

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When they go out of business, the info, all the info required to jailbreak the hardware, should become public property.. NOT useless junk..

SiliconWizard:

--- Quote from: cdev on May 04, 2022, 10:02:24 pm ---
--- Quote from: kripton2035 on April 18, 2022, 12:34:42 pm ---if you really need a cloud, make your own private cloud on a NAS device. or be prepared to something like that ! (i.e. make backups if possible)

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When they go out of business, the info, all the info required to jailbreak the hardware, should become public property.. NOT useless junk..

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I'd be fully supportive of that at least for medical devices. For other kinds of products, this could be some kind of rabbit hole as far as IP is concerned.

I don't think one should ever rely too much on some service/product unless one doesn't have a choice (as with medical devices) anyway, and getting occasionally bitten by doing so is a reasonable reminder. Whatever you do, don't freaking put all your eggs in the same basket. Popular wisdom which seems to have almost completely disappeared.

vk6zgo:
My iteration of W10 seems to have gone, following a few updates, from defaulting my files to "This Computer", to instead, sending them to "One Drive".

I still have "enough of my marbles" to say "I don't want no steenkin' One Drive", & make sure the important ones are stored locally, but plenty of older people have lost a few of theirs, & many young people never had any "marbles".

For most things that you need the 'Net to do, it probably doesn't matter, although the thought of my "Online Banking" details being on the "Cloud" is a bit worrying.
If you've lost Internet access for a while, some stuff can normally be done offline, but if all your files rely on an intact Internet connection, you are out of luck.

I'm not supposing that Microsoft will suddenly "turn up their toes" & disappear, but there is, on their previous form, the likelihood that "One drive" will change to a subscription service, so they "can hold my files to ransom"!

xrunner:

--- Quote from: SiliconWizard on May 05, 2022, 12:22:39 am ---I don't think one should ever rely too much on some service/product unless one doesn't have a choice (as with medical devices) anyway, and getting occasionally bitten by doing so is a reasonable reminder. Whatever you do, don't freaking put all your eggs in the same basket. Popular wisdom which seems to have almost completely disappeared.

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I can assure you, my thinking will never be "clouded" again regarding this technology's dangers.  ;)

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