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What happens when your cloud service just pulls the plug - Insteon gone
oPossum:
https://www.insteon.com/news2022
--- Quote ---In 2019, the onset of the global pandemic brought unforeseen disruption to the market, but the company continued to move forward. However, the subsequent (and enduring) disruption to the supply chain caused by the pandemic proved incredibly difficult and the company engaged in a sales process in November, 2021. The goal was to find a parent for the company and continue to invest in new products and the technology. The process resulted in several interested parties and a sale was expected to be realized in the March timeframe. Unfortunately, that sale did not materialize. Consequently, the company was assigned to a financial services firm in March to optimize the assets of the company.
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JustSquareEnough:
Just leaving this here in case someone comes across it. Insteon devices can be used without the cloud/hub, its the reason I chose them actually because you can set them up locally with no subscription, internet, cloud. Its unfortunate they wont be producing devices anymore though.
How do you do it?
you need an Insteon Power Line Modem (PLM) 2413u(usb) or 2413s (serial). They are already going for stupid prices on ebay...
https://www.smarthome.com/products/powerlinc-modem-insteon-2413s-serial-interface-dual-band
you need to run Home Assistant (completely free and open source) you can control all of your insteon devices locally from within side your network!
https://www.home-assistant.io
https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2022/04/19/for-insteon-users/
what we need now is the firmware for the PLM and reverse engineer the PLM hardware. because as long as we have the PLM and or a clone we can control all legacy Insteon devices without Insteon the company or the cloud.
-David
free_electron:
--- Quote from: EEVblog on April 20, 2022, 03:34:26 am ---The CEO LInkedIn is now completely gone.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/roblilleness/
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meh, the internet never forgets thanks to the wayback machine
https://web.archive.org/web/20180203231620/http://www.insteon.com/leadership-bios
JustSquareEnough:
Here is a tear down / cap repair of the 2413U:
fccid: sbp2413u
fcc docs: https://fccid.io/SBP2413U
Halcyon:
--- Quote from: hans on April 20, 2022, 09:45:24 am ---
--- Quote from: Halcyon on April 20, 2022, 03:17:00 am ---
--- Quote from: xrunner on April 19, 2022, 12:20:17 am ---That's inspiring. You know what? I'm gonna unplug my lamps from the Insteon dimmer modules and do something crazy. I'm going to turn the lights on and off the old fashion way - using the light switch!
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The true definition of a "smart home".
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Peak "smart home" I've heard was some guy installing smart lamps with motion sensors on the smallest room of the house. And light switches? Humpf, I've got smart everything, so why would you need one of those ugly plastic plates on the wall? Let's plaster+tile over them.
Of course one day his server went down. So he couldn't turn on the light if he wanted to, even though he needed to... :palm:
Now personally I do use some smarthome stuff. Just some basic dimmable lamps from IKEA. But they have a fallback: if the motion sensor in the kitchen acts up, you can turn off/on the power in a brief sec, and the lamp powers up normally.
Likewise, you can set up lamps to go on/off at certain times (e.g. sunset or turning on TV), but there always needs to be a sane fallback to something physical.
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I use motion sensors in some areas of the house such as outside or in the garage but for all those things, I always have a manual over-ride. I've had an outdoor sensor fail after a storm which caused the lights to randomly flash on and off; I want some way to manually turn that off without killing power to half the house.
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