What if someone is WRONG on this forum?

[.RC.]

[1] Because I can't hyperlink anything on YT, enjoy the embed:

I lasted ten seconds on that video.  I have come to the conclusion that most people do not have the faintest idea of what left and right is.  And I include myself in that group.

I look at the USSR and they were, pro industry, pro nuclear, pro agriculture, pro war, pro pretty much everything except individual freedoms.  And they are apparently left.

Then I look at the USA.   At the same time period they were.   pro nuclear, pro industry, in fact pro everything the USSR was except they were mostly pro freedoms, but people were not all free. And they were apparently right.

These days it all is highly confused.   Today by many self proclaimed left wingers the USSR would be right wing because of all the pro nuclear and pro industry and pro agriculture etc ideals.

But right wingers are all for controlling people.  We have big businesses supposedly should be right wing by old standards, that are more and more wanting to remove individual freedoms and curtail things. We have "right wingers" wanting this that or the other done.

Hell today you could even argue Nazi Germany was left wing the way they were socialist in nature.

So when people go on about alt right or trumpies, or leninists or socialists or capitalists or whatever.   I think the vast majority of them have no freaking idea what category they are trying to lump groups into.

I think that people will convince themselves that they are right and want to make sure others only do what they want them to do.

It is an eternal battle that will be forever ongoing.   However I do feel the world will fracture at a point and it seems to be getting closer.

[.RC.]

This is why I normally prefer descriptions (like liberal and conservative) rather than labels (like Democrat and Republican).  Labels change drastically over time. 

But what is a conservative.   I often hear conservative's do not want change.   So therefore the USA is not conservative because of the huge advancements in technology that country has created.

I hear progressive's want change.  But find me an environmental progressive that is say pro farmer land clearing to create more wealth for everyone?  The self proclaimed environment progressives want everything locked up and remain static, so therefore they are conservative however when it comes to say solar farms and wind turbines, it is damn the environment.

I find that most people claiming to be "progressive" are people who have been bought up and want change on things that do not affect them.  I find them mostly really ignorant of reality because their entire life they have been protected and are fully institutionalised. Often they work in humanities type occupations.

Most people are a mish mash of both conservative and progressive.  Like most people will for example think groups like unions are healthy but they also want the freedom to choose.

[RJSV]

   Dont worry .RC., or not too much.
   Sounds maybe like ass-kissing, but I actually tried to imagine:
    "What would Dave be thinking ?  Should I point out every nuance of somebody's crappy response, or what ?   I think that (Dave) likely wouldn't be encouraging too much flame, as insults tend to impact others, in political arguments".
   That's what I shifted to, cooling down and letting (this) go, for a time. 
   Surprised to see Tim jump in, (thanks), and how easily HE got nearly labeled a Trumpian (or whatever).  So now we've got TWO near-Trumpsters, delusional, and...what was the other knee-jerk insult ?  Not worth recalling.

   I think Tim's response was a little heated, but that's what they call 'appropriate', given the out of balance mud-slinging.  See how quickly HE got labeled, after voicing that: (labeling Tim as a 'probable MAGA'....)
 
   Probable MAGA, probable racist, probable delusional....boy those labels come spewing out so quickly.   (Maybe probably no self-control).   And to think I gave the dude my personal phone number (in the PM yesterday).

    I'm going to do what Dave would want, and get back to the EE work that takes place here in the forum.
- Rick

[RJSV]

My God, you feel compelled to throw a new label at someone, with each post you labor on.

  What, are you just parked here all night, defending something, I guess.

[.RC.]

   Dont worry .RC., or not too much.
 

I gave up worrying what people write about me or think of me on internet forums a decade or more ago.  It is why when asking for advice, read everyone's opinions and back it up with a bit of independent research elsewhere.

If someone comes across all hysterical screaming "won't someone think of the children"  yea nah, more often then not, unless you have stumbled on a full on echo chamber full of morons like some sub reddits and the screamer is actually is going off about a valid concern then might be wise not to treat them like the messiah.

[Someone]

I have come to the conclusion that most people do not have the faintest idea of what left and right is.  And I include myself in that group.

Alone left vs right can mean almost anything, it needs context.
More confusing as different (arbitrarily defined/imagined) dimensions of policy exist, usually with their own left/right directions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_spectrum
So a party/position/person can be "hard right" in some direction and not others, which is why it needs explicitly describing the axis/dimension (or just topic) on which that leaning is being applied/discussed.

[Ian.M]

Per clause five of our
Forum Rules:

... There are a couple of pet topics that always get out of control on forums, namely, religion, politics, guns, war, conspiracy theories, and the latest Current Thing that's happening or being championed by the public. They are not welcome here. ...

anyone who drags US politics in to any discussion, especially in the runup to a US Presidential election, is unequivocally *WRONG*, and per clause two:

2) No personal attacks. This is the biggest rule on this forum. If you don't follow it, you are not welcome here.

anyone who makes a pejorative reference to another user's personal political affiliation should GTFO before our moderators are forced to ban you.

If I'm making you feel uncomfortable, just maybe you should reconsider your recent posts, take a holiday from these forums till after the new year, and comeback with the resolution not to be drawn into breaking the rules by trolls.

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I am not an EEVblog moderator , nor do I play one on TV!

[Ian.M]

anyone who drags US politics in to any discussion, especially in the runup to a US Presidential election, is unequivocally *WRONG*

I'm pretty sure you're referring to me - so let's talk about "unequivocally *WRONG*".  RSJV and I were having what I thought was a perfectly civil exchange via PM's.  I said NOTHING about it on the public forum, and had absolutely no intention to.  He's the one that decided to show up here, out himself, and bring politics into it.  So if you don't mind my saying so - you can go fuck yourself.

Quoted for preservation.

My argument rests! 

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I prefer not to waste our moderators time by reporting OT storms in teacups . . .

[Halcyon]

I think this thread has served its purpose. Probably time it gets locked.

[EEVblog]

Isn't it funny how someone that both started the thing and responds to literally every single post, can't believe the other person can't let it go?

Spork, please leave this thread. The slack moderators give established users does not extend to new accounts, and you are really pushing it.