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IDEngineer:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 31, 2020, 08:04:25 pm ---bored aimless people have little better to do than get drunk or high when when done to excess lead a person to be more aimless, unmotivated and unemployable. No need to take my word for it though, you can see plenty online, explore on Google Earth or even visit yourself.
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I'm sure you'll be descended upon by those who will claim yours is a "class-ist" attitude that lumps all poor people together. But as you say, the evidence is all around. Every parent has experienced it too. And I fear things like UBI, in addition to all of its other ill-advised effects, would simply exacerbate this unfortunate human trait for another generation. Or more.
IDEngineer:
I also love how some people claim that we cannot know or predict whether UBI would "work" because it's never been tried on a large enough scale, or implemented the "correct way", or whatever.

Those are EXACTLY the same excuses used to "explain" why communism and socialism have never worked throughout history. They've just never been done "right", but please please please give this new crowd a chance and they'll show the naysayers how great everything can be!
bd139:

--- Quote from: james_s on March 31, 2020, 07:52:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: nctnico on March 31, 2020, 10:53:42 am ---Has anyone ever spotted someone on Star Trek cleaning the toilets? Empty the trash? Or working the garden on a cold, rainy day?

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Now that you mention it, I don't recall ever seeing a toilet on Star Trek. Maybe people in the future don't have to pee anymore.

I've also noticed that CRT displays apparently make a huge comeback in a few hundred years.  :D

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You need to watch more Star Trek if you didn’t notice any toilet references  :-DD

coppice:

--- Quote from: IDEngineer on March 31, 2020, 08:13:03 pm ---I also love how some people claim that we cannot know or predict whether UBI would "work" because it's never been tried on a large enough scale, or implemented the "correct way", or whatever.

Those are EXACTLY the same excuses used to "explain" why communism and socialism have never worked throughout history. They've just never been done "right", but please please please give this new crowd a chance and they'll show the naysayers how great everything can be!

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They are EXACTLY the opposite people, not the same. The first group want evidence. The second group discounts evidence.

Its really true that nothing like UBI has ever been tried at scale. The rich who don't bother working are an example of UBI failing, because they tend to lead to destitution over a couple of generations. However, they are too small a niche to draw any conclusions from, and their easy idle lifestyle has generally been a lot more opulent than anything UBI would provide. Everything else I've seen that has similarities to UBI has been time limited in some way, so the people involved always had to plan for how to survive when the cash stopped. That is nothing like a UBI you can rely on till the grave.
bd139:
That’s another good point. UBI would likely obsolete pensions. What do you do with accrued entitlement which is currently being used to prop up other investments?
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