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ebastler:
Hmm... To get back to the original topic, one of the not-so-good things about Covid 19 is that people apparently have too much time on their hands for idle discussions on EEVblog...  :P
SparkyFX:
A good thing that comes out of this: people might wash their hands more often, or take care of hygiene and that helps limit the spread of other viruses using the same path as well.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 30, 2020, 05:44:59 pm ---Respiratory viruses such as Covid-19 are typically contracted by inhalation, rather than ingestion. No doubt it's theoretically possible to contract Covid-19 from eating raw bat meat, but the stomach acid destroys the virus so any infection will be from the mouth, which will be minimal compared to someone inhaling dry bad faeces in a farm or market. I'm not a doctor or virologist so can't be sure. It's just my basic understanding of the situation.
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Inhaling is how it starts in the worst case, but it can also just come from touching the face (which is why washing hands is important), getting from there to the mucous membranes, there instantly breeding more of the virus and inhaling it deeper. Some virologists assume that people with mild symptoms develop most of it in the throat first, so the body has time to build antiviruses before it even reaches the lung, whereas more intense symptoms might stem from inhaling it directly into the lung. As it is in the respiratory tract you also emit the virus during the whole time the body has not defeated it.


--- Quote ---We don't get Corona viruses here in Europe and North America because we don't have a culture of eating bat meat, but we do get influenza which is hosted by pigs and birds.
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A perfectly cooked bat/pig/chicken would not have the problem, it usually is that the same cutlery/dishes/counter is used for raw meat and the final meal, which counters one reason to cook it in the first place.

IDEngineer:

--- Quote from: coppice on March 31, 2020, 08:26:58 pm ---They are EXACTLY the opposite people, not the same. The first group want evidence. The second group discounts evidence.
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Nope, it's the same situation, just different scales. UBI has been tried in small scales, everything from Candidate Yang's personally funded experiment to local jurisdictions in the USA and abroad. Communism and socialism have also been tried, repeatedly, all the way up to the nation-state level. Both provide "evidence" (I would have said "data").

When you say "nothing like UBI has ever been tried at scale", that is a perfect example of what I described: "We've never done it properly [as defined by the speaker] so we don't/can't know if it works." The fact that communism and socialism have been tried (and failed) at the scale of entire nations, while UBI hasn't exceeded the scale of local jurisdictions, is just that - a difference in scale, period. All such experiments have yielded data/"evidence".
MT:
A badly executed UBI was tried in Finland under 2017-2018 it was cornered by numerous bad flawed decisions and ended as such!

https://www.businessinsider.com/finland-basic-income-experiment-reasons-for-failure-2019-12?r=US&IR=T
https://www.helsinki.fi/en/news/nordic-welfare-news/heikki-hiilamo-disappointing-results-from-the-finnish-basic-income-experiment
Zero999:

--- Quote from: SparkyFX on March 31, 2020, 08:35:16 pm ---A good thing that comes out of this: people might wash their hands more often, or take care of hygiene and that helps limit the spread of other viruses using the same path as well.


--- Quote from: Zero999 on March 30, 2020, 05:44:59 pm ---Respiratory viruses such as Covid-19 are typically contracted by inhalation, rather than ingestion. No doubt it's theoretically possible to contract Covid-19 from eating raw bat meat, but the stomach acid destroys the virus so any infection will be from the mouth, which will be minimal compared to someone inhaling dry bad faeces in a farm or market. I'm not a doctor or virologist so can't be sure. It's just my basic understanding of the situation.
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Inhaling is how it starts in the worst case, but it can also just come from touching the face (which is why washing hands is important), getting from there to the mucous membranes, there instantly breeding more of the virus and inhaling it deeper. Some virologists assume that people with mild symptoms develop most of it in the throat first, so the body has time to build antiviruses before it even reaches the lung, whereas more intense symptoms might stem from inhaling it directly into the lung. As it is in the respiratory tract you also emit the virus during the whole time the body has not defeated it.
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Yes, that's true. It's also possible to pick up the virus from surfaces too.


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--- Quote ---We don't get Corona viruses here in Europe and North America because we don't have a culture of eating bat meat, but we do get influenza which is hosted by pigs and birds.
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A perfectly cooked bat/pig/chicken would not have the problem, it usually is that the same cutlery/dishes/counter is used for raw meat and the final meal, which counters one reason to cook it in the first place.

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I suppose there are plenty of ways Covid-19 could have been contracted: where the animal was farmed, slaughtered, butchered, prepared for cooking or eaten raw. There would have been plenty of opportunities for it to get into the eyes, mouth, nose of lungs. No one will know. It's too early to say which vector is most likely in Covid-19, because it's a new virus.
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