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What's the real reason that laptop batteries are made not-accessible?
NiHaoMike:
No different from the VGA port disappearing from GPUs, since it got replaced by superior standards.
cortex_m0:
--- Quote from: helius on December 10, 2021, 01:04:30 am ---"% of people refused to buy X" is a strange syntax and a non-verifiable factoid.
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I don't know what you mean. iPhone sales are easily verifiable.
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 10, 2021, 01:08:49 am ---Now you are going to tell us that this had nothing to do with Apple's decision making process, right? :horse:
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No, I'm not a dummy. Apple saw the opportunity in headphones almost 10 years ago, that's why they bought Beats by Dre. The strong sales of airpods and competitive wireless earbuds clearly mean the headphone jack isn't coming back.
The success of AirPods is illustrative of my point. A customer who is reluctantly buying a product does not buy a $159 accessory from the same manufacturer.
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on December 10, 2021, 01:28:52 am ---Nothing there about anyone not buying anything. All they said was that they thought it was a mistake. Their preference was thus to retain the feature. No-one threatened not to buy the phone if it was removed, though - that's something you made up yourself.
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It's a bold strategy to both tell me I didn't understand what I read, and cite my retelling of what I supposedly didn't understand in the same reply.
I only brought it up because the initial reaction to the lack of a headphone jack was very negative, but only james_s still thinks getting rid of the headphone jack was a mistake. Something happened along the way to change lots of minds.
helius:
--- Quote from: cortex_m0 on December 10, 2021, 04:05:44 am ---
--- Quote from: helius on December 10, 2021, 01:04:30 am ---"% of people refused to buy X" is a strange syntax and a non-verifiable factoid.
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I don't know what you mean. iPhone sales are easily verifiable.
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What do sales have to do with refusals? I think you're arguing in bad faith.
SilverSolder:
--- Quote from: cortex_m0 on December 10, 2021, 04:05:44 am ---
--- Quote from: helius on December 10, 2021, 01:04:30 am ---"% of people refused to buy X" is a strange syntax and a non-verifiable factoid.
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I don't know what you mean. iPhone sales are easily verifiable.
--- Quote from: SilverSolder on December 10, 2021, 01:08:49 am ---Now you are going to tell us that this had nothing to do with Apple's decision making process, right? :horse:
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No, I'm not a dummy. Apple saw the opportunity in headphones almost 10 years ago, that's why they bought Beats by Dre. The strong sales of airpods and competitive wireless earbuds clearly mean the headphone jack isn't coming back.
The success of AirPods is illustrative of my point. A customer who is reluctantly buying a product does not buy a $159 accessory from the same manufacturer.
--- Quote from: dunkemhigh on December 10, 2021, 01:28:52 am ---Nothing there about anyone not buying anything. All they said was that they thought it was a mistake. Their preference was thus to retain the feature. No-one threatened not to buy the phone if it was removed, though - that's something you made up yourself.
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It's a bold strategy to both tell me I didn't understand what I read, and cite my retelling of what I supposedly didn't understand in the same reply.
I only brought it up because the initial reaction to the lack of a headphone jack was very negative, but only james_s still thinks getting rid of the headphone jack was a mistake. Something happened along the way to change lots of minds.
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Getting rid of the headphone jack was not a mistake... it was an intentional plan, brilliantly executed, to get a significant number of people to pay >10x more than they should for their headphones - which is a good match with paying >10x too much for their phones in the first place! :D
This thread is beginning to show how common it is for people to turn a blind eye to the plethora of information around them, seeking out and focusing only on that part of the information that aligns with their decision. It's called "cognitive dissonance".
When two opposing ideas are psychologically inconsistent, there is a burning desire to reduce the gap between the inconsistent perceptions which can become overwhelming, especially if it is something we feel is erroneous...
james_s:
--- Quote from: cortex_m0 on December 10, 2021, 04:05:44 am ---I only brought it up because the initial reaction to the lack of a headphone jack was very negative, but only james_s still thinks getting rid of the headphone jack was a mistake. Something happened along the way to change lots of minds.
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Total nonsense, I could find you dozens of people who would prefer to have the headphone jack, there are numerous people on this thread who agree. Now maybe we are using different definitions of "mistake", if the plan was to push people to buy expensive wireless ear buds and they're going to buy the phones anyway because they have no real choice then ok, it was a good but sleazy business decision because people are virtually forced to buy the phones anyway and now a lot of them will drop more money on airpods. Would I buy a phone without a headphone jack? Yes, grudgingly, if I can't buy a new iphone that has one, I'll be forced to buy one without at some point and I need a phone. Has my mind been changed? Will I be happy about it or think it's a good idea they removed it? Hell no, it is making the product worse and less desirable to me, if they offered one that still had the jack I would buy that one instead and so would most people. But the key detail here that you gloss over is THERE IS NO CHOICE! Apple dropped the headphone jack, across their entire range of phones. If you need a new phone, you either buy one without a headphone jack or you consider one of the few Android phones that do have one, and they have other negative aspects.
I don't know how you are taking the fact that people are still buying the phones (because what else are they going to do, not have a phone?) as minds being changed and thinking that lack of a headphone jack is somehow good or an improvement. Do you not understand the concept of buying something anyway even though there are negative aspects because every available choice has negative aspects? Do I just need to explain this differently? What would you suggest I do if my requirement is a phone running iOS and a very strong desire is is to have a headphone jack? Seriously, what is your suggestion within these constraints? Not having a phone is not an option, so if I do buy one without a jack are you actually going to try to say that means I've changed my mind and think removing the jack was actually a good idea? I'm genuinely confused here, I do not understand your thought process.
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