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cgroen:

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--- Quote from: cgroen on December 03, 2021, 08:45:52 am ---
--- Quote from: IanB on December 03, 2021, 06:34:11 am ---Why is the printer deliberately wasting it?

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To get you to buy more ink  >:D
(I abandoned ink printers too, nothing beats a laser in "cost pr sheet" )

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Let me guess - you abandoned color inkjet for monochrome laser printer and call it achievement? For those who power-on their printer one page per week no matter what color it is, most likely cheap laser printer is best choice. Others would want to do their decision wisely. FYI volume printing is clearly inkjet business.

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Nope, I abandoned inkjet for a full color laser with 4 cartridges, the black one gives me around 8 to 10.000 pages.
coromonadalix:

--- Quote from: IanB on December 03, 2021, 06:34:11 am ---
--- Quote from: cortex_m0 on December 03, 2021, 04:37:19 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on December 03, 2021, 04:20:08 am ---Planned obsolescence is engineering that has no other function than to deliberately limit lifespan, for example a timer that bricks something after a specified number of uses,

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No, that is fraud (unless it is advertised as being time limited).

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There are a many users of various inkjet printers and multi-function devices that would like a word with you.

We have ink cartridges that stop working after a certain number of hours, whether they still contain ink or not.

We have scanners that stop working unless full ink cartridges are installed.

We even have printers that stop working after a certain number of hours because "the waste ink sump is full".

I quickly stopped using an inkjet printer I owned when every time I switched it on it would squirt large amounts of valuable ink into the "head cleaning sump" before being ready for use. I paid for that ink. Why is the printer deliberately wasting it?

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you have some samsung printer who will blow a fuse resistor in the fuser unit  to make you buy a new one, even if you change the part the printer count will redo that .... if not resetted properly
ogden:

--- Quote from: cgroen on December 03, 2021, 03:18:46 pm ---Nope, I abandoned inkjet for a full color laser with 4 cartridges, the black one gives me around 8 to 10.000 pages.

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Funny you do not mention any models. Please be more informative.
james_s:

--- Quote from: cortex_m0 on December 03, 2021, 04:37:19 am ---
--- Quote from: james_s on December 03, 2021, 04:20:08 am ---That is not planned obsolescence, that is cost engineering.
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Planned obsolescence is a special case of cost engineering.


--- Quote from: james_s on December 03, 2021, 04:20:08 am ---Planned obsolescence is engineering that has no other function than to deliberately limit lifespan, for example a timer that bricks something after a specified number of uses,

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No, that is fraud (unless it is advertised as being time limited).


--- Quote --- or a system that is tied to a remote server for no reason than to be able to disable it.
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No, that's a time-limited license. So long as I can continue paying the subscription fee to keep using my gizmo, nothing is being made obsolete.


--- Quote from: james_s on December 03, 2021, 04:20:08 am ---They're making them as cheap as they can while still lasting long enough.

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I'd consider this a concise definition of planned obsolescence.  :clap:

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You don't get to redefine a word to mean what you want it to mean, regardless of what you consider, you are just wrong. Planned obsolescence is planning obsolescence, period, designing something to fail with the express purpose of spurring people to buy a new one, not making something as cheap as possible in order to compete with all the other stuff that is made as cheap as possible. My comment about being tied to the licensing server refers to the fact that that server will be shut off at some point and the device will then stop working.
james_s:

--- Quote from: ogden on December 03, 2021, 04:08:36 pm ---
--- Quote from: cgroen on December 03, 2021, 03:18:46 pm ---Nope, I abandoned inkjet for a full color laser with 4 cartridges, the black one gives me around 8 to 10.000 pages.

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Funny you do not mention any models. Please be more informative.

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I did the same thing, originally I got a used Xerox Phaser 6100, then about 14 years later I replaced it with a HP M254W. It's brilliant, it prints superb text and very nice color photos too, not quite as nice photos as a good inkjet but good enough and on ordinary paper, not that expensive coated stuff. An added bonus is they don't run and smear if they get wet. It has a built in duplexer so it can print both sides without manual intervention and it can sit for months without use and then print a perfect page on the first go. I paid about $250 for it a couple years ago and I'm still using the toner cartridges that came with it. I would never even consider going back to inkjet.
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