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What's the real reason that laptop batteries are made not-accessible?
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cgroen:

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--- Quote from: cgroen on December 03, 2021, 03:18:46 pm ---Nope, I abandoned inkjet for a full color laser with 4 cartridges, the black one gives me around 8 to 10.000 pages.

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Funny you do not mention any models. Please be more informative.

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Oh, I'm very sorry, I hope my answer comes quick enough for you :)
Inkjet was some Epson one (can't remember which one), laser is a  Canon MF720C
Rick Law:

--- Quote from: Ben321 on December 02, 2021, 10:07:00 pm ---...
One thing it seems criminals learned was that a computer or phone that you powered down from a menu option in the Windows start menu (or equivalent action for a cellphone) isn't actually shut down. It's simply put into a very low power mode in which even the OS isn't running, but it's not completely shut down. This means RAM memory is maintained in a powered on state so the physical RAM chips still store data from what you did while actually using the device, and some things I've read indicate that possibly even the GPS mode is enabled when the phone is supposedly powered down so it can still be tracked. As a result smart criminals started to remove the batteries from their phones when not in use. This keeps the GPS (in phones) from tracking them, and in about a minute (possibly less) the binary state of the transistors in the RAM chips is completely reset to 0, so no usable data left for the authorities to see what you had been doing on the computer.

As a result, civic minded computer and phone companies realized this was a problem so they started making it harder for badguys to power down their devices so as to make it easier for law enforcement to catch badguys. Or possibly, law enforcement realized it first and went to computer and phone companies and asked (or even demanded, under threat of prosecution for the crime of "obstruction") that these companies change their hardware to make it harder for badguys to hide their crimes by simply removing the battery from their device.

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I really take issue with what you said there...

Perhaps criminal use that, may be.  Criminals eat too - that doesn't mean we should stop selling food.

Today's phone/pc has become a tracking device and spying device.  They (big tech and government) already know who knows whom, and who your relatives and friends are.  They know where you go, what you buy and where you buy, they know what church you donate to, and who your doctors are.

For those privacy minded people, and I consider myself one, I shut down my stuff and I remove the batteries whenever possible.  I am no criminal.  Last time I broke the law was more than 10 years ago for snow-route parking as I was not expecting snow that day.  Before that was a speeding ticket about 30 years ago.

If phone/technology companies are indeed civic minded and do care about the well being of their customers, they would make machines not just with hardware off switches for the entire machine, but also individual hardware off-switches for WiFi, Bluetooth, Microphone and Camera.

One need to prepare for what they say they would do, but prepare for what they could do as well.  Think about Amazon Side walk, that is a known one.  They are using your private broadband as there own, fully funded by you.  At least Amazon made it known.  I am pretty sure Microsoft and Google probably are doing or thinking about doing the same thing, that we don't know (yet)...
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: Ben321 on December 03, 2021, 02:40:02 am ---[...]
Planned obsolescence means what exactly?
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In practice it means, "Manage the service life of the device".

There isn't a product in the world that doesn't have some kind of expected service life...   ranging from one-time use to decades or centuries!

In the case of phones,  you can expect 2 OS updates and security updates for 3 or 4 years.   The battery is designed to (just about) cope with this.   Most phones are definitely expected to be obsolete/junk by the end of that kind of time frame...

ogden:

--- Quote from: cgroen on December 03, 2021, 05:56:20 pm ---Oh, I'm very sorry, I hope my answer comes quick enough for you :)
Inkjet was some Epson one (can't remember which one), laser is a Canon MF720C

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You managed :) No doubt laser printers are much more dependable, must be default choice for business/office. Inkjets are cheaper, thou may clog and surprise you when least expected, they need more care, regular printing. 2100-page black cartridge for Canon MF720C cost as much as Epson Ecotank CMYK refill 6500 4000 page set *and* brand new replacement head.
SilverSolder:

--- Quote from: james_s on December 03, 2021, 04:20:08 am ---[...] Planned obsolescence is engineering that has no other function than to deliberately limit lifespan [...]

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Doing planned obsolescence by making the battery uneconomical to replace has an element of 'plausible deniability' about it...  the consumer cannot easily identify who is to blame for his/her predicament, and will generally just pony up for a new device.

A select few will choose the more economical choices that still exist (i.e. phones with headphone ports, SD card support, replaceable batteries) but these models are not marketed as high end phones!  There is a big target market of consumers that are willing to overpay for "renting" a device for a few years, as long as they get to feel they are on the leading edge...
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