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When will MS replace the NT-kernel in windows?

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JohanH:

--- Quote from: PlainName on January 23, 2024, 11:30:51 am ---
Isn't it looking at what is actually hitting the metal?

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At this point the "Unix philosophy" referred to has become a "Unix religion", because it's not based on technical facts or merits, rather on dubious political nonsense. All I see in that camp is bitter old farts, somehow making technical development cross their dusted political views. Just spare me the BS.

nctnico:

--- Quote from: Karel on January 23, 2024, 11:00:32 am ---
--- Quote from: JohanH on January 23, 2024, 08:13:16 am ---
--- Quote from: PlainName on January 22, 2024, 11:59:07 pm ---
--- Quote ---p.s.: Two years ago MS hired Lennart Poettering (systemd inventor) who was working for Red Hat...
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Windows is going to be even more fucked than it is now.

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I don't understand the hatred for this guy. And I've followed the whole systemd debacle since the start, read his blogs etc. I guess, he was too clever and too outspoken for the mob. It for sure brought out all the ugliness you can imagine in the circles; the amount of trolling and hatred by his critics I haven't seen since (except in politics). But what it takes to have development and invention (and society) make huge jumps is guys like him that are visionaries and able to realize the ideas, too. I for my part admire him. If anything, he will do good things at Microsoft.

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I guess if he should have respected the general "Unix" philosophy that tools should do only one thing and do it good,
the reception should have been much better. Instead, he created a monster that wants to do and control everything.
What will be his next step? Creating a Linux registry for all settings like windows does?

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That wouldn't be bad perse. From a maintenance point of view, it is easier to have a singular way of interacting with a system compared to needing to edit several files in several places using several different formats. Look at the sendmail configuration as an example (although I think this program has been created by aliens given the way it needs to be configured).

shapirus:

--- Quote from: JohanH on January 23, 2024, 08:13:16 am ---I don't understand the hatred for this guy.

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It's very simple. In the context of systemd/journald he: a) went on fixing things that weren't broken; b) did this in a way absolutely hostile to unix philosophy. Either of these is as much of an antipattern as it can possibly get. This, naturally, resulted in creation of a hard to use and troubleshoot abomination, which, worst of all, destroyed any possibility of using an alternative solution in all mainstream linux distros.

Hope he now finally feels at home in microsoft. Pity that he did not leave redhat before damage was done.

p.s. pulseaudio, OTOH, was actually a useful thing, one that actually made the world better.

shapirus:

--- Quote from: nctnico on January 23, 2024, 12:13:12 pm ---That wouldn't be bad perse. From a maintenance point of view, it is easier to have a singular way of interacting with a system compared to needing to edit several files in several places using several different formats.

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Unless you want to automate things and set up monitoring, or you are simply an experienced user who understands how to take advantage of the so-called unix way. Plain text logs and configs, separate configs where each file is responsible for a small part of the whole, the "one small program for each task" approach are all better suited for automation and for power users.

Windows-style binary logs, configs, and monstrous software systems that try to control everything are natural and welcome in the windows world. They like them there, so keep them there. Don't bring this BS to where it's not welcome, it's as easy as that.

magic:
Now the future is clear.

Lennart will fork Linux and Windows will become the first operating system based on systemd-kernel.
Nobody will be using Ubuntu by 2030, mark my words.

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