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| JohanH:
--- Quote from: shapirus on January 23, 2024, 12:34:34 pm --- It's very simple. In the context of systemd/journald he: a) went on fixing things that weren't broken; b) did this in a way absolutely hostile to unix philosophy. --- End quote --- I strongly disagree. People are entitled to their opinion, but referring to the "Unix Philosophy" doesn't bring any technological arguments. It's not even an agreed upon standard, but "philosophical" arguments. But talking about beating a dead horse. As for a), he was completely free to fix whatever things he wanted. Anyone can write any software that they want. Most people agreed it was great and here we are today. If it's not good anymore in a few years, maybe something else comes along and replaces it. Who cares, it's just a bunch of 0s and 1s. But the "philosophers" had to turn frigging software into some kind of religious debate and hating people for it. :-// |
| Karel:
--- Quote from: magic on January 23, 2024, 12:47:48 pm ---Lennart will fork Linux and Windows will become the first operating system based on systemd-kernel. --- End quote --- :o |
| shapirus:
--- Quote from: JohanH on January 23, 2024, 01:51:14 pm ---I strongly disagree. People are entitled to their opinion, but referring to the "Unix Philosophy" doesn't bring any technological arguments. --- End quote --- I don't agree. It's not just someone's preference, but a set of practical considerations which create specific advantages, some of which I have already mentioned: easier setup, automation, troubleshooting, reduction of requirements for interactive management. There is a disadvantage too: you must know how to cook it right, otherwise you will end up with a tangled mess instead of a powerful tool (sendmail mentioned in previous posts is a good example). There is nothing religious in this. It's purely technical reasoning backed by experience. ...otherwise, I agree. Everyone is free to write whatever they want. The problem however is when distro maintainers begin forcing their preferred solutions on everybody without offering an alternative. Well, those who want can create their own systemd-free distros. That's how Devuan was born. BTW I actually use it on an embedded system where systemd was undebuggably slow or freezing on shutdown and had some issues on boot. Too bad it doesn't have as many users as mainstream distros, meaning less maintainers and a smaller community. |
| PlainName:
--- Quote from: JohanH on January 23, 2024, 01:51:14 pm --- --- Quote from: shapirus on January 23, 2024, 12:34:34 pm --- It's very simple. In the context of systemd/journald he: a) went on fixing things that weren't broken; b) did this in a way absolutely hostile to unix philosophy. --- End quote --- I strongly disagree. People are entitled to their opinion --- End quote --- Except when they don't match yours, apparently. --- Quote ---but referring to the "Unix Philosophy" doesn't bring any technological arguments. It's not even an agreed upon standard, but "philosophical" arguments. --- End quote --- Just like programming patterns, no? 'Best practices' similar. Besides which, shapirus has given you excellent technical reasons (which you surely already knew but chose to ignore, because). |
| shapirus:
--- Quote from: shapirus on January 23, 2024, 02:49:52 pm ---The problem however is when distro maintainers begin forcing their preferred solutions on everybody without offering an alternative. --- End quote --- ...speaking of which: when will MS replace the tall icon-based crappy Windows taskbar with a no-nonsense button-based taskbar where each button represents exactly one window and have a well-defined action on click: raise a minimized or inactive window or minimize an active window? Before that happens, in case anyone is looking for a solution, like myself, who was speechless (actually no: I did say words that I won't repeat here) after seeing the windows 11 UI for the first time and finding out that it wasn't possible to disable it, here's what I can recommend: - proper taskbar: https://github.com/dremin/RetroBar - proper start menu: https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu I spent the effort of searching for them, installing and setting them up even though I use Windows very rarely in a virtual machine. That's how extremely bad and unusable its newest UI is. |
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